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    http://www.reviewevolution.com/press/pressRelease_100Scientists.php

    "The numbers of scientists who question Darwinism is a minority, but it is growing fast," said Stephen Meyer, a Cambridge-educated philosopher of science who directs the Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture at Discovery Institute. "This is happening in the face of fierce attempts to intimidate and suppress legitimate dissent. Young scientists are threatened with deprivation of tenure. Others have seen a consistent pattern of answering scientific arguments with ad hominem attacks. In particular, the series' attempt to stigmatize all critics--including scientists--as religious 'creationists' is an excellent example of viewpoint discrimination."

    A Scientific Dissent on Darwinism

    "I am skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."

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    04 Nov '14 12:29
    Originally posted by josephw
    http://www.reviewevolution.com/press/pressRelease_100Scientists.php

    "The numbers of scientists who question Darwinism is a minority, but it is growing fast," said Stephen Meyer, a Cambridge-educated philosopher of science who directs the Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture at Discovery Institute. "This is happening in the face of fierce attempts ...[text shortened]... Tumlin: Assoc. Prof. of Medicine: Emory U. Charles Thaxton: PhD Physical Chemistry-Iowa State U.
    You have shown a few hundred names but there are about 400 THOUSAND names with just as valid Phd's who totally agree with evolution. That list is not 'rapidly' growing.
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    04 Nov '14 13:19
    Originally posted by josephw
    http://www.reviewevolution.com/press/pressRelease_100Scientists.php

    "The numbers of scientists who question Darwinism is a minority, but it is growing fast," said Stephen Meyer, a Cambridge-educated philosopher of science who directs the Center for the Renewal of Science and Culture at Discovery Institute. "This is happening in the face of fierce attempts ...[text shortened]... Tumlin: Assoc. Prof. of Medicine: Emory U. Charles Thaxton: PhD Physical Chemistry-Iowa State U.
    Stephen Meyer? 🙄

    You might find this interesting:
    http://youtu.be/U3G90NaJfxQ
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    04 Nov '14 13:241 edit
    Originally posted by josephw
    "I am skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life. Careful examination of the evidence for Darwinian theory should be encouraged."
    Of course, that's exactly what scientists have been doing for 150+ years now, and keep doing.

    And still evolutionary theory stands. Fancy that.
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    04 Nov '14 14:39
    Originally posted by josephw
    "The numbers of scientists who question Darwinism is a minority, but it is growing fast," said Stephen Meyer
    First of all, there is no religion that goes by the name of Darwinism. Creationists try their hardest to make the Theory of Evolution into a religion started by Darwin, but it isn't. We don't call theories of Gravity 'Newtonianism'. There is Newtonian Mechanics, there is Newtons Laws, but nobody ever says Newtonianism - even though it is readily accepted that Einsteins improved on Newtons theories and they are no longer considered strictly accurate.
    And secondly, anyone who claims a number is 'growing fast' but doesn't back it up with statistics is doing so because they know that the actual numbers are strong evidence against what they are claiming so they are forced to try and claim some as yet unrealized future in which the numbers support them.
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    04 Nov '14 18:59
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    You have shown a few hundred names but there are about 400 THOUSAND names with just as valid Phd's who totally agree with evolution. That list is not 'rapidly' growing.
    Can you imagine the financial hit the scientific community would take if they didn't keep the party line?

    Not much money in the belief that the universe was created. Evolution is a very lucrative hoax.
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    04 Nov '14 19:01
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    First of all, there is no religion that goes by the name of Darwinism. Creationists try their hardest to make the Theory of Evolution into a religion started by Darwin, but it isn't. We don't call theories of Gravity 'Newtonianism'. There is Newtonian Mechanics, there is Newtons Laws, but nobody ever says Newtonianism - even though it is readily accepted ...[text shortened]... hey are forced to try and claim some as yet unrealized future in which the numbers support them.
    "First of all, there is no religion that goes by the name of Darwinism."

    Who said it was a religion? Are you obfuscating again?
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    04 Nov '14 19:06
    Originally posted by josephw
    [b]"First of all, there is no religion that goes by the name of Darwinism."

    Who said it was a religion? Are you obfuscating again?[/b]
    Nobody said it was a religion.
    twhitehead has not said anyone declared it was.
    He is just saying it is not a religion in case there are some stupid folk out there who think it is.
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    04 Nov '14 19:271 edit
    Originally posted by josephw
    Evolution is a very lucrative hoax.
    Evolution is demonstrably not a lucrative hoax. If you think it is, you haven't met a whole lot of evolutionary biologists. It's not like they're creationists making a shyteload of money* on preaching nonsense. Evolution is an observed fact, and all you have to do is read that book proper knob recommended, to see that. If you don't want to buy it, I'm sure your local library can obtain a copy for you to read.

    * Actually, I was just told that you can make a descent pay in the states working with evolutionary biology. Damn!
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    04 Nov '14 19:41
    Originally posted by josephw
    Can you imagine the financial hit the scientific community would take if they didn't keep the party line?

    Not much money in the belief that the universe was created. Evolution is a very lucrative hoax.
    it would be even more lucrative for the scientist who could prove evolution is wrong. the scientists of the world are not a team, they have no 'party line' to tow. if one scientist can prove another wrong and make a name for himself thats exactly what he will do. to get the majority of scientist in the world to join what would be the biggest cover up in history would be an astronomically difficult thing to do. so, who is organising the cover up? who are the dark shadowy figures hoping around the globe making sure that scientists dont step out of line and develop their own research?????
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    04 Nov '14 20:19
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    You have shown a few hundred names but there are about 400 THOUSAND names with just as valid Phd's who totally agree with evolution. That list is not 'rapidly' growing.
    So fast growing, indeed, that they haven't bothered to update the list in over a decade.
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    04 Nov '14 20:381 edit
    Originally posted by josephw
    Who said it was a religion? Are you obfuscating again?
    What do you understand by the word 'darwinism'? What is its origin and why would anyone use it?

    And 'obfuscating again'? Have I obfuscated in the past? If so, when? In the other thread where you accused me of obfuscating it turned out that was just you trying your hardest to avoid dealing with your own issues.

    And how would my comments in this thread come under the term 'obfuscating'?
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    04 Nov '14 20:541 edit
    Originally posted by josephw
    Can you imagine the financial hit the scientific community would take if they didn't keep the party line?

    Not much money in the belief that the universe was created. Evolution is a very lucrative hoax.
    Let's be clear, here.

    The universe WAS created.

    But God chose the natural physical laws of this dimension to do it, i.e. the BB, modern cosmology and Evolution.
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    04 Nov '14 21:02
    Originally posted by C Hess
    "Actually, I was just told that you can make a descent(sic) pay in the states working with evolutionary biology. Damn!"
    Most of America still does not have even a 4-year degree. Putting your Ph.D. to work still garners you a decent income in these United States. A MS, not so much. A lot of teachers have their MS and they still don't make much money in the US, unless they go into Administration.
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    04 Nov '14 22:04
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Most of America still does not have even a 4-year degree. Putting your Ph.D. to work still garners you a decent income in these United States. A MS, not so much. A lot of teachers have their MS and they still don't make much money in the US, unless they go into Administration.
    i think its the same everywhere, it shows a total lack knowledge on the behalf those that claim scientists are 'in it for the money'. the truth is that majority of scientists earn a modest wage. its really only the celebrity scientists who make lots of money.
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