@kellyjay saidIf you ever get the nerve to a give and take conversation we can have one, in the mean time do whatever it is you think you are doing for your own amusement.
I did, it looked like you were talking to me in 2nd person instead of directly to me, so I thought you were confused in who you were responding to. No matter, feel free to insult me, or do whatever you want. If you ever get the nerve to a give and take conversation we can have one, in the mean time do whatever it is you think you are doing for your own amusement.
lol. You're free to actually address the points of my OP to you at any time.
Do you really not understand what's going on on you're own thread?
@thinkofone saidActually this thread hasn't had anyone really discuss the point as much as they do me personally. You don't have conversations you simply spew what you think and move on. There isn't a conversation unless there is a give and take, you refuse to answer some of the basic questions. I'm not sure if your are ashamed of your own beliefs, cannot defend them, whatever the reasons they sure have put a clamp on your mouth that isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
If you ever get the nerve to a give and take conversation we can have one, in the mean time do whatever it is you think you are doing for your own amusement.
lol. You're free to actually address the points of my OP to you at any time.
Do you really not understand what's going on on you're own thread?
@kellyjay saidlol. Try rereading the posts on this thread again. Better yet, have someone read the posts on this thread and explain them to you.
Actually this thread hasn't had anyone really discuss the point as much as they do me personally. You don't have conversations you simply spew what you think and move on. There isn't a conversation unless there is a give and take, you refuse to answer some of the basic questions. I'm not sure if your are ashamed of your own beliefs, cannot defend them, whatever the reasons they sure have put a clamp on your mouth that isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
You're free to actually address the points of my OP to you at any time.
Do you really STILL not understand what's going on on you're own thread?
the original edition of the book of mormon is without chapter and verse. when later publishers decided to modernize it and put in punctuation and verses the fundamentalist christians who deride the bom would later say that these were "changes" meaning that the text was rewritten and reinterpreted when what was done was mere publishing format changes for modern readers.
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@KellyJay
I recall that chapter numbers and verse numbers were not in the original Scriptures.
And I have always wanted to read the Bible at least once through without chapter and verse numbers, to what what it would be like.
You encourage me to find one like that.
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Following are but a few:
1) Assigning meaning to individual verses without first understanding the passage from which it was taken.
That is true. However some of us can also tell when someone wants us to "understand a passage" only after FIRST understanding their Humanism / Atheism.
For them the "context" is the presuppositions they brought to the Bible to begin with.
2) Believing dogma prior to assessing the veracity of that dogma.
True. I do care to find out "Well what does it really SAY here?"
You have also heard me say perhaps on many occasions that I don't believe that the Bible can be systematized 100%.
IMO the Bible alludes man's attempt to systematize it into a logical flowchart like system of 100% consistency.
We are always in need of those who obey to help us understand and the Holy Spirit to guide His people and help them understand what God wants us to know.
The Bible in the interpretive hands of an obedient servant of God is very useful.
The Bible in the interpretive hands of an Atheist or one committed to disobedience, is near useless and even destructive.
For example: "The Bible is the inerrant word of God". Those who believe this dogma invariably distort the actual meaning of verses / passages to remove inconsistencies, discrepancies, contradictions, etc. Those who believe this dogma invariably find a verse / passage or two to backup their beliefs and ignore any conflicting verses / passages.
3) Poor reading comprehension, poor critical thinking skills, poor conceptual thinking skills, etc.
Maybe. But worse are those secretive unbelievers who salivate to find errors as a rationale to promote their Atheism.
Besides, many realistic Bible scholars believe in innerancy and recognize the obvious fact that copyists down through the ages made copying errors.
For a good debate on errors of copyists I recommend interested parties take the TIME and watch two qualified experts debate. Then they can make up their own minds as both sides are well presented.
Dr. Bart Ehrman vs. Dr. James White
Does the Bible Misquote Jesus?
Part 1
Part 2
It is worth the watch. And if you're skeptical Bart Ehrman is your best bet to have your side represented.
Loving Jesus - I'm biased. I'm rooting for James White
@sonship saidMy wife and son and I now own ESV versions without chapters and verses. They still highlight at the top of the page the scriptures on each page. It is different reading each letter as a letter.
@KellyJay
I recall that chapter numbers and verse numbers were not in the original Scriptures.
And I have always wanted to read the Bible at least once through without chapter and verse numbers, to what what it would be like.
You encourage me to find one like that.
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@KellyJay
Yes. That is what I am wanting someday to own - a Bible for spiritual reading which has no chapter or verse delimiters.
@bigdoggproblem saidIt's not that big a deal.
@KellyJay
May we have an example?
Simply read the Bible ignoring the chapter and verse breaks.
Evidently some lack the wherewithal to do so.
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@bigdoggproblem saidOf what specifically? You ever read a letter broken out by chapter and verse?
@KellyJay
May we have an example?