Originally posted by stellspalfie
" My love for my parents is absolutely enfluenced in a significant part by the command of God which weighs upon my conscience -"
[b] personal examples are pointless here, we are talking in general. most children are the result of the environment they grow up in - do you think this statement is true or false?
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personal examples are pointless here, we are talking in general. most children are the result of the environment they grow up in - do you think this statement is true or false?
I'm pretty sure that much of your writing is enfluenced by your personal experience. Some of my writing is enfluenced by mine.
Anyway, I know of no culture where it is to be held in high esteem to be nasty to one's parents generally. The examples I know, in history, of people killing parents or being otherwise very cruel to them, are all held up as negative examples.
The point is usually how EVIL a person was to behave in such a way. Can you submit some examples where such behavior towards mother and father were exemplified as behavior to emulate ?
"According to the revelation of the Bible we are a three part being made up of spirit and soul and body (1 Thess. 5:23) . So we are not merely the material body. We have an immaterial component consisting of the "spirit and soul" also. "
thats all fine and well, but you repeat what you have read in the bible. you are just saying what they are not what they do and how they do it.
I repeat some things in the Bible because without God's revelation we could not know some of the things we know.
Science is not the only discpline by which man can know truth. Revelation from God is another and vital way we can know truth.
answering these question may help me understand your views which im finding vague at the moment -
do you think some emotions are created by the body only?
do you think some emotions are created by the spirt only?
do you think some emotions are created by a combination of the two?
I think since the three components are the make up of one total humanity, the factors involved are probably multiple.
Whatever the factors are something not material is involved which the naturalist cannot reduce to physical entitities.
This is like the laws of reasoning or the laws of logic also cannot be reduced to physical matters. Some expectation may be held by some that on a more subatomic level, these things may be located as physical entitities. But our current level of knowledge surely negates that.
I think I can cut to the chase by simply stating that I believe there is a supernatural realm.
The very beginning of the universe is due to causes which lie outside the realm of space, time, and energy which all had their beginning WITH the Big Bang or "Creation Event."
So I think that the supernatural has been even established scientifically is a fact we should accept.
Since the Creation Event, I do not think this supernatural realm has ceased to exist. And I think there is a realm of our humanity which our science instruments cannot touch or measure. They transcend the natural realm and negate a total materialism.
science has already made simple synthetic life forms that can replicate so biological life probably isnt far off...or it may take another hundred years.
I don't think any scientists have not made life. How far off it is we don't know. It may be forever far off.
Me:
"Now let me ask you. If the soul and spirit are only material chemical reactions, then which do you think we should work at
1.) Manufacturing the chemicals to eliminate bad behavior in human beings ?
2.) Manufacture the chemicals to remove any sense of wrong doing and guilt ?"
Stell:
we should concentrate 100% on 1. option 2 would be crazy, society would crumble and we would all become psychopaths. the reason the body has developed these emotions is to aid our survival, empathy and kindness being key to a group working together well.
Maybe you should volunteer for some experimentation.
Who would you suggest they experiment on ?
the christians life is no more balanced than anybody else. i have muslim, hindu, christian and atheist friends and family take it from me there is no difference.
I don't know them so I won't just take it from you.
For the question is not that everyone claiming to be Christian is very balanced. Thousands that I know are very balanced because they learn to be one with a very balanced Jesus Christ whose humanity is fine and forebearing and reasonable and accomodating and well balanced.
So I'll take it from my experience, our experience.
We grow in numbers. We grow in numbers all over the world. And it is not because we live exactly like everyone else. It is because at least some people realize that there is a difference.
That difference is because of the available and real living Jesus Christ within us. If there were no difference than I would never have been persuaded to also become a believer.
The way someone LIVED has a lot to do with my decision to ALSO trust Christ. So don't tell me that there is no difference with at least some Christians.
we all find what we need to be peaceful in our own ways and we all find unhappiness in our own ways and we 1 in 4 of us will suffer from mental health issues regardless of our religion and 40% of us will get cancer regardless of what we believe. there is not one single thing youve got that makes you better off than anybody else. if people do have souls then it doesnt mater what you believe because the spread of good and bad is equal to all people.
I think the situation is a little more serious than that. We are ALL mental cases because our minds have been damaged by sin.
When you come to Jesus Christ you realize that we ALL have problems in the mind with deception. We are deceived people. And we take bitter for sweet sometimes. And we take sweet for bitter sometimes. And we take darkness for light sometimes.
Education and cleverness have nothing to do with it. Very intelligent people also have minds that have been damaged by sin.
Even the idea of God being the advasary or enemy of our greater well being is completely a matter of self deception. And it reveals some damage to our mental health. But this would be a mental health as compared not to typical people but to NORMAL according to the standard of God.
Normal is Jesus Christ. We have all fallen way below the line of "normal" according to God's evaluation. So we need healing of the mind as well as redemption and forgiveness and spiritual life.
just to clarify - do you believe our morals are created outside of our body and have nothing to do with our minds?
I see man as like three concentric circles. The innermost circle is the human spirit. And the human conscience is part of the human spirit. I see outside of that and encompassing that the outer circle of the human soul - the seat of mind, emotion, and will. And without that as the outermost circle I see the human physical body.
The three realms of humanity are also to contact three realms of reality.
The outermost physical body is created to substantiate physical reality.
Then next inner level, the soul, is created to interact with and substantiate other selves and other minds - psychological reality.
Lastly, the innermost part of man, the human spirit is created to substantiate spiritual reality. It is there that we can touch God and Christ directly.
Now when you speak of inside the body and outside the body, I don't think I know that much. I think human language here may have some limitations. And we have to kind of borrow words in order to understand such abstractions.
I don't believe these abstractions will someday be totally reduced to things we can measure physically by any science instruments. This is not to say science cannot do some marvelous things. And this is not anti-science. This is simply a realistic admission that man's being is more that something in the purely natural realm.
Take for instance the human spirit, the "deepest" part of man. I think it is something very close to God Himself. It is something from God but not God Himself. This human spirit is something very close to what God is and that is why it can blend and unite in an organic union with God -
"He who is joined to the Lord is one spirit" (1 Cor. 6:17) Man can be joined to the uncreated and eternal God so that His eternal Spirit can become
"one spirit" with the regenerated human spirit - a mingling, an "organic" union.
I have to go now.