Originally posted by lucifershammerNo. They should conduct a poll on whether students think it is right or wrong and submit the "right" results to the relevant monitoring authorities.
Do you think that teachers should, while teaching about the Holocaust, point out to their students that it was wrong? Do you think that teachers should, while teaching about slavery, point out to their students that it was wrong?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageMorality doesn't need to be taught any more than speaking a native language needs to be taught. People pick it up naturally.
No. They should conduct a poll on whether students think it is right or wrong and submit the "right" results to the relevant monitoring authorities.
Originally posted by kirksey957As I said before, I am for parental choice when it comes to teaching morals to children. Parents should have the right to send their children to a school that allows prayer in school and a morality based education that the parents can agree with that is free of charge as is public school. As we can see from the article I posted previously, the public schools are in need of some sort of morality based education. However, if parents choose to continue to send their children to a school that is devoid of morality based education, as is the current public school systems, they should have that right as well.
So exactly how do you want the public school to look in terms of teaching "morals"? I'm still confused as to what you want. Are you wanting prayer in school? Bible lessons?
Originally posted by whodeyJust a couple of side-points, Whodey—
As I said before, I am for parental choice when it comes to teaching morals to children. Parents should have the right to send their children to a school that allows prayer in school and a morality based education that the parents can agree with that is free of charge as is public school. As we can see from the article I posted previously, the public school ...[text shortened]... y based education, as is the current public school systems, they should have that right as well.
First of all, public education is not “free.” It is paid for through taxation (generally property taxes).
Where I live, the available private schools (including the Christian ones, which are predominant) are hugely expensive (I mean an annual tuition approaching my annual household income; a few-thousand-dollar voucher doesn’t come close).
Now, who is to foot the bill for making such private education free to those who wish it? Me? I prefer to support the public system. Should I pay additional taxes to support the private system as well? Should the public school system become even more expensive? Should private schools be required to accept “special ed” kids (they are generally not)? Should they be required to accept kids whose parents cannot shell out five figures for tuition? Should they be held to at least the same academic standards?
If you can afford to send your kids to private school, by all means do so (if you want). But somebody is going to have to pay for it...
Originally posted by lucifershammerNo, I don't think it is necessary to point that out. When I was in school and we saw films of the holocost, no one ever questioned if that was wrong. It was understood.
Do you think that teachers should, while teaching about the Holocaust, point out to their students that it was wrong? Do you think that teachers should, while teaching about slavery, point out to their students that it was wrong?
I'm more worried about the morals of adults these days than I am of children.
Originally posted by whodeyI'm sure that there are many many parents with children who feel the way you do. Is it your experience or feeling that you are "isolationist" as you think about this issue. I almost get the sense that you don't want to mingle with the "unclean."
As I said before, I am for parental choice when it comes to teaching morals to children. Parents should have the right to send their children to a school that allows prayer in school and a morality based education that the parents can agree with that is free of charge as is public school. As we can see from the article I posted previously, the public school ...[text shortened]... y based education, as is the current public school systems, they should have that right as well.
Originally posted by vistesdI am guessing that you do not have any children who are in the public school system. Yet you still pay taxes for this even though there is no benefit for any children you may have. May God bless you.
Just a couple of side-points, Whodey—
First of all, public education is not “free.” It is paid for through taxation (generally property taxes).
Where I live, the available private schools (including the Christian ones, which are predominant) are hugely expensive (I mean an annual tuition approaching my annual household income; a few-thousand-do ...[text shortened]... rivate school, by all means do so (if you want). But somebody is going to have to pay for it...
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Originally posted by kirksey957Children are the adults of tomorrow, after all.
No, I don't think it is necessary to point that out. When I was in school and we saw films of the holocost, no one ever questioned if that was wrong. It was understood.
I'm more worried about the morals of adults these days than I am of children.
I have to admit incredulity at your account of being shown Holocaust films in school if you're trying to tell me that your teachers made absolutely no moral statements on the matter prior to, during, or after such films were screened. No uses of words like "terrible", "atrocities", "cruelty", "barbaric", "inhuman" etc. etc.
Of course, if the teacher did make it clear what her moral position on the subject was, it would not be surprising that no student questioned its morality. Not to mention prior moral education. No "democracy is the best form of government" or "people's freedoms must be respected" etc.
I don't believe you're thinking things through in arguing that schools should play no part in moral education.
Originally posted by kirksey957I bet the graininess of the film, the lighting, angles and etc., all had something to do with your perception of the situation. Propoganda is propoganda, after all. I seem to recall that Nazi Germany came about due by a large part to propoganda. How we draw things, how we frame them, our timing, wording, etc., etc., all goes toward having our message favorably received.
No, I don't think it is necessary to point that out. When I was in school and we saw films of the holocost, no one ever questioned if that was wrong. It was understood.
I'm more worried about the morals of adults these days than I am of children.
Let's face it: if we had microscopic cameras taping the procedures of an abortion from inside the womb, would there need to be any commentary?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHGood post.
I bet the graininess of the film, the lighting, angles and etc., all had something to do with your perception of the situation. Propoganda is propoganda, after all. I seem to recall that Nazi Germany came about due by a large part to propoganda. How we draw things, how we frame them, our timing, wording, etc., etc., all goes toward having our message fa ...[text shortened]... ping the procedures of an abortion from inside the womb, would there need to be any commentary?
Originally posted by kirksey957Yes, all my kids (and Vivian’s) are out of school many years now.
I am guessing that you do not have any children who are in the public school system. Yet you still pay taxes for this even though there is no benefit for any children you may have. May God bless you.
If only those who have kids in public school were expected to pay for it, the cost would go up to the point where a lot of them couldn’t. There have always been people opposed to any public school system supported by taxation—generally, I think they have been those who could afford to pay for their own children’s’ education, and would prefer the competition for higher-paying jobs, college slots, etc. narrowed.
Private schools are able to be selective in the students they accept, whereas the public schools have to provide an education for all children (e.g., the special ed kids that I mentioned previously).
Originally posted by PawnokeyholeThat means morality should be taught in school, since the native language also needs to be taught in schools in order to better it. I don't know a single country that doesn't have native language classes.
Morality doesn't need to be taught any more than speaking a native language needs to be taught. People pick it up naturally.
I don't believe that any teacher can be neutral morally, therefore I am for a clear orientation towards human and civic rights education. More than the mere legislative aspects of these rights, but why they exist. And that's a moral issue.