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Originally posted by KellyJay
You cannot have a decline unless there is a baseline with which we
can measure a rise or fall from. Since you reject all baselines of
faith; in addition, you can not replace them with anything else for
everyone else, you could be in a free fall without ever knowing it.
Kelly
Ok lets start with "Thou shall not kill"

How many Lebanese have been killed by your country's proxy, using arms supplied by your country following policy approved by your country?

Then add the number of Palestinians

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Originally posted by whodey
How would I teach morality? We could look back in time to see how it used to be taught or we can start from scratch. In 1782 the United States Congress passed the following resolution; "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for the use in all schools." Crazy huh? William Holmes McGuffey is the author of the McGuffey Rea ...[text shortened]... er to embrace its precepts via political correctness? This is the question I pose to you.
Twit.

What you're talking about is teaching christianity. For a significant proportion of the period you're referring to slavery was legal in the US, which most people would agree to be immoral.So children were taught christianity but learnt nothing about the morailty of keeping slaves (apart from the fact that the bible allows it)

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Originally posted by aardvarkhome
Ok lets start with "Thou shall not kill"

How many Lebanese have been killed by your country's proxy, using arms supplied by your country following policy approved by your country?

Then add the number of Palestinians
Thou shall not murder.

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Originally posted by KellyJay
Thou shall not murder.
so you can kill as long as youre not committing a crime while doing it, or if youre in the right.

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Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
so you can kill as long as youre not committing a crime while doing it, or if youre in the right.
Do you think every time someone is killed it is murder?
There is a difference.
Kelly

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Originally posted by KellyJay
Thou shall not murder.
my bible says Thou shall not kill.

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Originally posted by KellyJay
Thou shall not murder.
What has happened to the lebanese and Palestinians is murder. Genocide. A crime against humanity. And your taxes are subsidising it.

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Originally posted by aardvarkhome
my bible says Thou shall not kill.
You'd do well to read the whole thing.
Kelly

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Originally posted by aardvarkhome
What has happened to the lebanese and Palestinians is murder. Genocide. A crime against humanity. And your taxes are subsidising it.
Murder is taking place every day, no denying that. What happened
to Americans is murder, what has happen to a lot of people is murder,
it is going on now every where. The human race is filled with murder
and other things, it isn't an issue with just this group or that.
Kelly

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Originally posted by KellyJay
Murder is taking place every day, no denying that. What happened
to Americans is murder, what has happen to a lot of people is murder,
it is going on now every where. The human race is filled with murder
and other things, it isn't an issue with just this group or that.
Kelly
you pay for it to happen

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Originally posted by KellyJay
You'd do well to read the whole thing.
Kelly
what makes you think I haven't?

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Originally posted by aardvarkhome
you pay for it to happen
Anyone who pays taxes anywhere more than likely has paid for it.
You have a point? Anyone who supports any country more than
likely has supported a country that has blood on its hands one
way or another. Personally, I think the whole human race is guilty
of several crimes against itself and God, if you want to single out
one and say it is guilty, I'd more than likely agree with you.
Kelly

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Originally posted by aardvarkhome
Twit.

What you're talking about is teaching christianity. For a significant proportion of the period you're referring to slavery was legal in the US, which most people would agree to be immoral.So children were taught christianity but learnt nothing about the morailty of keeping slaves (apart from the fact that the bible allows it)
What would be preferable? Would it be preferable to raise children in a moral vacuum or subject them to one immoral teaching? For me, I think the moral vacuum leads to greater immorality than morality that is somewhat flawed. In truth, are we not all flawed? Since we are flawed, does this mean we are incompetent to teach a moral code of some kind?

BTW the Biblical account of slavery differs greatly from that of the racist slavery of the Deep South. The Biblical account of slavery had nothing to do with race. It was merely a means of survival for those who needed to eat and those who could not pay. In fact, after so many years the slaves were given their freedom. Slavery was allowed to counter the greater evil of poverty and starvation.

Are we not all slaves in some way? Do we not all need to survive and work jobs. Payments may differ but the need to work to survive remains the same. The slaves of the deep south were exploited for economic reasons. The plantation owners used free labor so they could live a life of luxuary. This is far from the Biblical accounts of slavery.

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Originally posted by whodey
What would be preferable? Would it be preferable to raise children in a moral vacuum or subject them to one immoral teaching? For me, I think the moral vacuum leads to greater immorality than morality that is somewhat flawed. In truth, are we not all flawed? Since we are flawed, does this mean we are incompetent to teach a moral code of some kind?

BTW ...[text shortened]... labor so they could live a life of luxuary. This is far from the Biblical accounts of slavery.
So exactly how do you want the public school to look in terms of teaching "morals"? I'm still confused as to what you want. Are you wanting prayer in school? Bible lessons?

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Originally posted by kirksey957
So exactly how do you want the public school to look in terms of teaching "morals"? I'm still confused as to what you want. Are you wanting prayer in school? Bible lessons?
Do you think that teachers should, while teaching about the Holocaust, point out to their students that it was wrong? Do you think that teachers should, while teaching about slavery, point out to their students that it was wrong?