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Sequence of Events at the End of the Age

Sequence of Events at the End of the Age

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Paul used the past tense throughout Romans 8:29,30 because to God it has already all taken place.

Foreknew ---> predestinated ----> called ----> justified ----> glorified

This is why the Christian should ALSO see it from the vantage point of God's view. It cannot fail to occur because to God it has already all been completed.

Not only so. But before these verses 28,29 we are told God the infinite Engineer is perfectly capable to cause "ALL THINGS" in the universe to work together to accomplish His purpose. That is to those who love God, He is able to providentially engineer everything that happens in the universe for the accomplishing of His eternal purpose.

"And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." (Rom. 8:28)

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@sonship said
Paul used the past tense throughout Romans 8:29,30 because to God it has already all taken place.

Foreknew ---> predestinated ----> called ----> justified ----> glorified

This is why the Christian should ALSO see it from the vantage point of God's view. It cannot fail to occur because to God it has already all been completed.

Not only so. But ...[text shortened]... for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose." (Rom. 8:28) [/b]
Every time you quote these references you are condemning your doctrine. To love God is to obey the commandments. Yet you will a talk at length about saved by faith and the blood of Christ and the Grace and the justification and the sanctification but you ignore the keeping of the commandments

But when you quote these references the truth comes out that

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. (1 John 5:2-3 KJV)

You can have however much of
Grace
Faith
Sanctification
Justification
Hope
Blah blah blah ...
... if you do not keep the commandments you have nothing and get nothing but damnation

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@Rajk999


Do you believe that physically, bodily, the Lord Jesus rose from the dead ?

Do not hide behind "But, commandments, commandments, commandments!"

Tell the world plainly if you believe the Gospel, the Good New of the Lord Jesus having risen bodily from the dead.

And don't think to conceal or cloak your not believing by handwaving sidesteps "But, commandments! commandments! commandments!"

Readers, watch carefully whether Rajk999 confesses a risen Christ as Lord or follows with massive and stealth-laden evasion, pointing instead to " but commandments! commandments!"

I am out on a limb. But I wager Rajk999 conceals his belief that Jesus is a spirit creature who did not resurrect bodily, physically as a man. Here is his opportunity to PROVE that I misrepresent his teaching. Let's see how he handles the question.

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@sonship said
@Rajk999


Do you believe that physically, bodily, the Lord Jesus rose from the dead ?

Do not hide behind "But, commandments, commandments, commandments!"

Tell the world plainly if you believe the Gospel, the Good New of the Lord Jesus having risen bodily from the dead.

And don't think to conceal or cloak your not believing by handwa ...[text shortened]... s his opportunity to PROVE that I misrepresent his teaching. Let's see how he handles the question.
You are really as dumb as a bucket of rocks. Where did you get the idea I need to prove anything?

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@rajk999 said
You are really as dumb as a bucket of rocks. Where did you get the idea I need to prove anything?
You sidestep and ignore (the many) questions that prove your doctrine is false and unBiblical.

Jesus Christ predicted His bodily Resurrection and was Resurrected in bodily form. That you refuse to acknowledge this speaks volumes of how false your “works, works, works” doctrine is and how you cherry pick verses and passages from the Holy Bible, while ignoring the most important parts.

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So...... Just been sitting back and listening. Now this subject of the last days and the events that will happen before and after this event in humans history is being explained by the poster and by a couple others here..
Many events have been brought out by the ones here that are described in the Bible. Some are right in the events but not in the order or even what each event really is. Is it symbolic or is it something real that will affect us humans?
The poster of this thread says that only ones who are trying to understand this on their own is the only way to do this.
The Bible says just the opposite though here “Trust in Jehovah with all your heart and do not lean upon your own understanding.”​—PROV. 3:5.
The Bible also says “Let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together.”—HEBREWS 10:24, 25.
Think it could be that with many meeting together when this is done thru prayer to Jehovah and while his spirit is there to help teach us, might be the way to go?

So just these two scriptures alone go against his opinions of his understanding of the scriptures and what he is telling others to do with their spirituality? That is why he admits the he does not understand exactly what the scriptures he is using to describe the events of the last days really mean. He also says it's no big deal that we don't.
Not such a good one to listen to I would say.
When one is about to take a long, dangerous and complicated trip to a place that will make his life better and will bring one closer to Jehovah, it might not be such a good idea to take advice from one who has no idea how to read the map but should pray to the one who wrote it, and then to associate with others who are also looking to Jehovah for those directions. That is Jehovah's advice.

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@galveston75 said
So...... Just been sitting back and listening. Now this subject of the last days and the events that will happen before and after this event in humans history is being explained by the poster and by a couple others here..
Many events have been brought out by the ones here that are described in the Bible. Some are right in the events but not in the order or even what ea ...[text shortened]... ssociate with others who are also looking to Jehovah for those directions. That is Jehovah's advice.
Did you JWs consult with God when publishing those hundreds of false prophecies? Obviously you did and that means that God is misleading you, and this happens to people God does not like. Anyway I will post this again. I did post it a few years ago but it seems you like to come back for more. Carl Sagan calls the JWs shamelessly dishonest, a very appropriate description

Carl Sagan, "Broca's Brain," pages 332-3

Doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those which make
correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make
false predictions.

But not always. One prominent American religion confidently predicted that the
world would end in 1914. Well, 1914 has come and gone, and -- while the events
of that year were certainly of some importance -- the world does not, at least
so far as I can see, seem to have ended. There are at least three responses that
an organized religion can make in the face of such a failed and fundamental
prophecy.
- They could have said, "Oh, did we say '1914'? So sorry, we meant
'2014.' A slight error in calculation. Hope you weren't inconvenienced in any
way." But they did not.
- They could have said, "Well, the world would have ended, except we prayed very hard and interceded with God so He spared the Earth." But they did not.
- Instead, they did something much more ingenious. They announced
that the world had in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn't noticed,
that was our lookout.

It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all. But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. But it does indicate, if a demonstration were needed, that near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry.

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@galveston75

The Bible also says “Let us consider one another to incite to love and fine works, not forsaking the gathering of ourselves together.”—HEBREWS 10:24, 25.
Think it could be that with many meeting together when this is done thru prayer to Jehovah and while his spirit is there to help teach us, might be the way to go?

Is Rajk999 a former Jehovah's Witness who has for some reason forsaken the assembling together with other JW's at a Kingdom Hall?

The spirit of Jehovah that you mentioned is for you not the Person of Jehovah God Himself but just a force. Correct?

I recall that you are not one to as easily call names as Rajk999 does. However, in the past I think you don't answer some questions well but kind of wink with some all knowing assurance that "We all know that I'm right here - wink, wink."

That's nice that you are here as an objective observer. But but you'll have to do more than give me the old presumptuous wink, wink, that we all know your
JW doctrine is the real Gospel of Christ.

Are you going to help Rajk999 answer the question of whether he teaches Jesus physically - bodily resurrected as man ? Is he an old disfellowshipped comrade in difficulty? Or was he a partial student of home visits for whom becoming a "Jehovah's Witness" didn't quite materialize?

Those are genuine questions, not "gotcha!" statements about him.

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Lol. Still the same I see. Not able to defend your weak post so all you can come up with is this? Oh well, to be expected.
Why not respond on your post and defend it?

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@sonship I know very little about Rajk999. He seems to have mellowed a bit but is the wolf still hiding there? Hummm...

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@PB1022


Rajk999 says he has no responsibility to answer me.
But I am taught to examine the spirits whether they be of God.

"Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but prove the spirits whether they are of God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. In this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit which confesses the Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, And every spirit which does not confess Jesus is not of God; and this is the spriit of the antichrist, . . . " (1 John 4:1-3b)

So he may evade examination. Maybe this is his way to conceal what he really teaches against the New Testament. Maybe he thinks he has no obligation to prove to me anything.

I still see what it is that he confesses and what it is that he will NOT confess. And I don't see him admit any faith in the physical resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.

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@galveston75

You haven't as far as I know on this thread pointed out something to defend.

I'll re-read your vague general posturing above.

That last thing I recall about speaking to you is YOUR inability to account for Jesus saying as Jehovah God says in the Old Testament, that He is indeed "the First and the Last" .

You couldn't contradict it.
You couldn't refute it.
My recollection is quite clear that you lacked both the skill and enthusiasm to show that that is not Jehovah as a Man speaking in Revelation 1:17,18.

I know you didn't think I would just kind of have amnesia about it.

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@sonship How about we stick to this thread for now. Stay on subject....

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@galveston75

Why doesn't Rajk999 confess the bodily and physical resurrection of Jesus ?
Is that a left over from Jesus = Michael the archangel / spirit creature stuff?

That's part of the thread.
And if there is something you object to in my eschatology wat was it ?

Every thread Rajk999 comes to is laden with his handwaving about " The commandments!! The commandments! The commandments of Jesus!".

It doesn't matter WHAT the topic is. That's his trick to conceal his unbelief in the essential good news of the availability of the resurrected and living Lord Jesus Christ.

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@Rajk999

It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all.

Speaking of "transparent evasion" are you going to evade the matter of Christ's physical and bodily resurrection in a huff that you don't have to prove anything to me?

Prove it to someone else.
You do or you do not believe in the bodily and physical resurrection of the Son of
God?

You act like you'll bring something ELSE to God besides faith in the resurrected Lord. Instead you'll bring a lot of talk about keeping the commandments of Jesus.

You think some will be too busy noticing your speaking much about the commandments of Jesus to realize you don't believe the Gospel?

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