1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    Sharia Law

    "Sharia Law is the law of Islam. Sharia [also spelled 'Shariah'] is cast from the Quran, the actions and words of Muhammad, and the collective reasoning and deductions of Muslim imams. As a legal system, Islam's Sharia law covers a wide range of subjects. The stipulations of the Sharia law, however, are unlike any other legal system in the world. According to the Sharia law:

    • Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).

    • Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.

    • Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.

    • Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.

    • A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.

    • A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.

    • A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.

    • A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.

    • Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).

    • A woman can have 1 husband, but a man can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.

    • A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.

    • A man can beat his wife for insubordination.

    • Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.

    • A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).

    • A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.

    • A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.

    • A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).

    • A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.

    • Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be Halal.

    • Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.

    • The list goes on. Sharia is the national law of Saudi Arabia but has been seeping into Europe, UK, Canada and America as Islam expands, led by the Muslim Brotherhood movement." http://www.billionbibles.org/sharia/sharia-law.html

    Note: These laws are "cast from the Quran, the actions and words of Muhammad", which has become the faith belief system and salvation of the souls of many loyal followers around the globe; provided here simply as a point of reference.
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    .. seeping into Europe, UK, Canada and America as Islam expands, .
    How exactly does the law of one country [which clearly is undesirable in this case] seep into another country ?
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Sharia Law

    "Sharia Law is the law of Islam. Sharia [also spelled 'Shariah'] is cast from the Quran, the actions and words of Muhammad, and the collective reasoning and deductions of Muslim imams. As a legal system, Islam's Sharia law covers a wide range of subjects. The stipulations of the Sharia law, however, are unlike any other legal system ...[text shortened]... he souls of many loyal followers around the globe; provided here simply as a point of reference.[/b]
    The problem with Islamic Law and Judaism is that it provides no place for the exercise of conscience, that is why Christianity is undoubtedly superior.
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    "• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.

    • Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.

    • Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death."

    Sounds as if both Christianity and Atheism would be regarded as criminal activities punishable by death....
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    Sharia is the national law of Saudi Arabia but has been seeping into ..., UK, Canada and America
    Perhaps you could give an example from each country?
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    Originally posted by wolfgang59

    Perhaps you could give an example from each country?
    City in Michigan First to Fully Implement Sharia Law

    "Posted about 2 months ago shariah-law-picture [National Report] In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene.

    The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage. Some in town seem to welcome the new legislation while others have denounced the move as “abhorrent”, a threat to freedom and incompatible with the Constitution. When asked by National Report about the need for such a law, local resident Jeremy Ahmed stated:

    “It is because of our need that Allah the Almighty, in all his generosity, has created laws for us, so that we can utilize them to obtain justice. We hope to see other cities taking this action in the face of the governments inaction of passing such legislation”.

    Other local residents have taken to social media sites with comments ranging from “praise be to Allah” and “long live Islam” to “RIP Dearborn” and “Only in Obama’s America would an American city consider Sharia Law”. The city of Dearborn is a well-known safe haven for Muslims and Muslim sympathizers. With a population of around 98 thousand people, roughly 30% of its residence are Muslims making them the largest concentration of Muslims in the United States.

    The dangers of Sharia Law in America were first outlined in a 2010 study produced by the Center for Security Policy (CSP) titled “Sharia: The Threat to America“, a 352-page book based on authoritative sources of Islamic law. While sharia includes strict rules for prayer and fasting, it is also an all-encompassing legal and political code that covers all aspects of life including those that have nothing to do with religion."

    http://nationalreport.net/city-michigan-first-fully-implement-sharia-law/

    Here's an example from the United States of America. Your country?
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Sharia Law

    "Sharia Law is the law of Islam. Sharia [also spelled 'Shariah'] is cast from the Quran, the actions and words of Muhammad, and the collective reasoning and deductions of Muslim imams. As a legal system, Islam's Sharia law covers a wide range of subjects. The stipulations of the Sharia law, however, are unlike any other legal system ...[text shortened]... he souls of many loyal followers around the globe; provided here simply as a point of reference.[/b]
    Following are excerpts from an article that tries to actually shed some light on Sharia Law instead of spewing the usual bigoted tripe of the type posted by GB.

    Most academics studying Islam and Muslim societies give a broad definition of sharia. This reflects Muslim scholars struggling for centuries over how best to understand and practice their faith.

    But these specialists do agree on the following:
    •Sharia is not static. Its interpretations and applications have changed and continue to change over time.

    •There is no one thing called sharia. A variety of Muslim communities exist, and each understands sharia in its own way. No official document, such as the Ten Commandments, encapsulates sharia. It is the ideal law of God as interpreted by Muslim scholars over centuries aimed toward justice, fairness and mercy.


    •Sharia is overwhelmingly concerned with personal religious observance such as prayer and fasting, and not with national laws...

    The "sharia threat" argument is based on an extreme type of scripturalism where one pulls out verses from a sacred text and argues that believers will behave according to that text. But this argument ignores how believers themselves understand and interpret that text over time.

    The equivalent would be saying that Jews stone disobedient sons to death (Deut. 21:18- 21) or that Christians slay all non-Christians (Luke 19:27)...


    In reality, sharia is personal religious law and moral guidance for the vast majority of Muslims. Muslim scholars historically agree on certain core values of sharia, which are theological and ethical and not political. Moreover, these core values are in harmony with the core values at the heart of America.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/wajahat-ali/understanding-sharia-law-_b_844624.html
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]City in Michigan First to Fully Implement Sharia Law

    "Posted about 2 months ago shariah-law-picture [National Report] In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses sec ...[text shortened]... ully-implement-sharia-law/

    Here's an example from the United States of America. Your country?[/b]
    You're really something GB. Try checking your sources before continuing to embarrass yourself. You're as bad as all those homophobes continually posting their tripe on this site.

    Claim: Dearborn, Michigan, has become the first U.S. city to implement Sharia law.

    FALSE

    Origins: On 28 October 2013, the National Report published an article positing that Dearborn, Michigan (a city with a historically large Muslim population), had become the first U.S. city to implement Sharia law:
    In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into affect January 1st, addresses secular law including crime, politics and economics as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, fasting, prayer, diet and hygiene.

    The new law could see citizens stoned for adultery or having a limb amputated for theft. Lesser offenses, such as drinking alcohol or abortion, could result in flogging and/or caning. In addition, the law imposes harsh laws with regards to women and allows for child marriage.
    By the following day links and excerpts referencing this article were being circulated via social media, with many of those who encountered the item mistaking it for a genuine news article. However, the article was just a bit of satire from the National Report, a web site that publishes outrageous fictional stories such as "IRS Plans to Target Leprechauns Next," "Boy Scouts Announce Boobs Merit Badge," and "New CDC Study Indicates Pets of Gay Couples Worse at Sports, Better at Fashion Than Pets of Straight Couples."

    The National Report's (since removed) disclaimer page notes that:
    National Report is a news and political satire web publication, which may or may not use real names, often in semi-real or mostly fictitious ways. All news articles contained within National Report are fiction, and presumably fake news. Any resemblance to the truth is purely coincidental.


    http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/sharia.asp
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    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    You're really something GB. Try checking your sources before continuing to embarrass yourself. You're as bad as all those homophobes continually posting their tripe on this site.

    Claim: Dearborn, Michigan, has become the first U.S. city to implement Sharia law.

    FALSE

    Origins: On 28 October 2013, the National Report published an art ...[text shortened]... truth is purely coincidental.


    http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/sharia.asp
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    The Real Impact of Sharia Law in America Cully Stimson, September 2, 2010 at 11:00 am

    "Justice for John Yoo and Jay Bybee: Does Sharia law allow a husband to rape his wife, even in America? A New Jersey trial judge thought so. In a recently overturned case, a “trial judge found as a fact that defendant committed conduct that constituted a sexual assault” but did not hold the defendant liable because the defendant believed he was exercising his rights over the victim. Fortunately, a New Jersey appellate court reversed the trial judge. But make no mistake about it: this is no isolated incident. We will see more cases here in the United States where others attempt to impose Sharia law, under the guise of First Amendment protections, as a defense against crimes and other civil violations.

    In S.D. v. M.J.R., the plaintiff, a Moroccan Muslim woman, lived with her Moroccan Muslim husband in New Jersey. She was repeatedly beaten and raped by her husband over the course of several weeks. While the plaintiff was being treated for her injuries at a hospital, a police detective interviewed her and took photographs of her injuries. Those photographs depicted injuries to plaintiff’s breasts, thighs and arm, bruised lips, eyes and right check. Further investigation established there were blood stains on the pillow and sheets of plaintiff’s bed.

    The wife sought a permanent restraining order, and a New Jersey trial judge held a hearing in order to decide whether to issue the order. Evidence at trial established, among other things, that the husband told his wife, “You must do whatever I tell you to do. I want to hurt your flesh” and “this is according to our religion. You are my wife, I c[an] do anything to you.” The police detective testified about her findings, and some of the photographs were entered into evidence. The defendant’s Imam testified that a wife must comply with her husband’s sexual demands and he refused to answer whether, under Islamic law, a husband must stop his sexual advances on his wife if she says “no.”

    The trial judge found that most of the criminal acts were indeed proved, but nonetheless denied the permanent retraining order. This judge held that the defendant could not be held responsible for the violent sexual assaults of his wife because he did not have the specific intent to sexually assault his wife, and because his actions were “consistent with his [religious] practices.” In other words, the judge refused to issue the permanent restraining order because under Sharia law, this Muslim husband had a “right” to rape his wife.

    Besides the fact that the ruling is wrong as a legal matter, and offensive beyond words, it goes to the heart of the controversy about the insidious spread of Sharia law—the goal of radical Islamic extremists. Fortunately, the New Jersey appellate court refused to tolerate the trial judge’s “mistaken” and unsustainable decision. The appellate court chastised the trial judge’s ruling, holding among other things that he held an “unnecessarily dismissive view of defendant’s acts of domestic violence,” and that his views of the facts in the case “may have been colored by his perception that…they were culturally acceptable and thus not actionable – -a view we soundly reject.” Although appellate courts typically defer to findings of fact by trial judges, under the circumstances, this appellate court correctly refused to do so, and reversed the trial court and ordered the permanent restraining order to issue.

    The truth is that imposition of Sharia law in the United States, especially when mixed with a perverted sense of political correctness, poses a danger to civil society. Just last year, a Muslim man in Buffalo, New York beheaded his wife in what appeared to be an honor killing, again using his faith to justify his actions. It is doubtful that the domestic violence and rape in this recently overturned case will be the last Americans see of Sharia being impermissibly used to justify brutal acts on our soil. As former Assistant Secretary of Defense Frank Gaffney wrote recently: Sharia is no less toxic when it comes to the sorts of democratic government and civil liberties guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution. According to this legal code of Saudi Arabia and Iran, only Allah can make laws, and only a theocrat can properly administer them, ultimately on a global basis.

    The trial opinion in this case shows that, indeed, the global reach of Sharia law is expanding. The trial court allowed the testimony of an Imam to be entered so that his account of Sharia’s standards could supercede the standards set by the New Jersey legislature. This is not just about cultural defenses, which by themselves are not proper under United States law, but about giving up control of the law to a religious code citizens of this country have no control over, a theocratic code world famous for its antidemocratic, sexist nature and its human rights abuses.

    So-called “cultural defenses” have existed in other contexts for a long while and, for the most part, such defenses have been rejected. As a domestic violence prosecutor in San Diego, I ran across a case where the accused was charged with assault for punching his girlfriend, and the defense wanted to introduce an expert in Latin cultures. The expert was to testify that in Latin culture, it is acceptable for a man to strike “his woman” as punishment as long as it doesn’t cause serious lasting injury. This was rejected outright by the court, as it should have been. These attempts are not uncommon, but the cultural relativism they espouse is different than the more dangerous trend here.

    In S.D. v. M.J.R., the husband’s defense for sexually assaulting his wife was not just another attempt to erode the protection of our own social mores. The specific threat that comes from attempting to establish Sharia law in the United States is that justification for doing so has been couched in the protections of the First Amendment. As noted by the appeals court in its decision overturning what amounted to the replacement of New Jersey’s rape law with Sharia, “the judge determined to except [the] defendant from the operation of the State’s statutes as the result of his religious beliefs.” Doing so was contrary to several Supreme Court decisions, which hold that an individual’s responsibility to obey generally applicable law—particularly those that regulate socially harmful conduct—cannot be made contingent up on his or her religious beliefs.

    The U.S. Constitution cannot and should not be used to subvert legislatures and allow brutes such as the husband in this case to harm others simply because their actions are legal under Sharia law. It was impermissible for the trial court to act as it did in this case, and the appellate judges very correctly overturned the ruling below. This is not the last we will hear of such attempts, however, as Sharia-loving extremists are determined to establish an Islamic Caliphate around the world, especially in America. As Andy McCarthy has written, “Our enemies are those who want Sharia to supplant American law and Western culture.” We cannot allow that to happen."

    http://blog.heritage.org/2010/09/02/the-real-impact-of-sharia-law-in-america/

    ThinkOfOne, thanks for your comments. Do you approve of the accuracy of this report?
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]City in Michigan First to Fully Implement Sharia Law

    "Posted about 2 months ago shariah-law-picture [National Report] In a surprise weekend vote, the city council of Dearborn, Michigan voted 4-3 to became the first US city to officially implement all aspects of Sharia Law. The tough new law, slated to go into effect January 1st, addresses sec ...[text shortened]... ully-implement-sharia-law/

    Here's an example from the United States of America. Your country?[/b]
    I don't live too far from Dearborn, MI, and I can tell you that there is no sharia law in force there.
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]The Real Impact of Sharia Law in America Cully Stimson, September 2, 2010 at 11:00 am

    "Justice for John Yoo and Jay Bybee: Does Sharia law allow a husband to rape his wife, even in America? A New Jersey trial judge thought so. In a recently overturned case, a “trial judge found as a fact that defendant committed conduct that constituted a sexu ...[text shortened]... america/

    ThinkOfOne, thanks for your comments. Do you approve of the accuracy of this report?[/b]
    One would think that GB would have reined himself in on this topic after having embarrassed himself so badly. But as with other hard-core bigots, it seems to have had no effect. There's little point in trying to reason with a bigot.
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    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    You're really something GB. Try checking your sources before continuing to embarrass yourself. You're as bad as all those homophobes continually posting their tripe on this site.

    Claim: Dearborn, Michigan, has become the first U.S. city to implement Sharia law.

    FALSE

    Origins: On 28 October 2013, the National Report published an art ...[text shortened]... truth is purely coincidental.


    http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/sharia.asp
    [/b]
    You're as bad as all those homophobes.

    Kissy Kissy ThinkofOnešŸ˜µ
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    Originally posted by rwingett
    I don't live too far from Dearborn, MI, and I can tell you that there is no sharia law in force there.
    Let's thank God for that.
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    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [Sharia is the national law of Saudi Arabia but has been seeping into ... UK, Canada and America
    Show us a law change in the UK, Canada or US that is based on Sharia Law.
    OR
    Retract these lies.
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    27 Dec '13 07:59
    Originally posted by rwingett
    I don't live too far from Dearborn, MI, and I can tell you that there is no sharia law in force there.
    Is there a significant Muslim Population in the Dearborn area?
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