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Originally posted by stellspalfieWe are referring to two different things. I was responding to the claim by sonhouse that when continents separate (move apart) that tremendous heat will be produced by friction.
friction can be caused by things moving together or apart.................you dummy.
First, let us see what is the definition of friction.
Friction is the force resisting the relative motion of solid surfaces, fluid layers, and material elements sliding against each other. There are several types of friction:
1. Dry friction resists relative lateral motion of two solid surfaces in contact. Dry friction is subdivided into static friction ("stiction" ) between non-moving surfaces, and kinetic friction between moving surfaces.
2. Fluid friction describes the friction between layers of a viscous fluid that are moving relative to each other.
3. Lubricated friction is a case of fluid friction where a fluid separates two solid surfaces.
4. Skin friction is a component of drag, the force resisting the motion of a fluid across the surface of a body.
5. Internal friction is the force resisting motion between the elements making up a solid material while it undergoes deformation.
When surfaces in contact move relative to each other, the friction between the two surfaces converts kinetic energy into heat.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friction
We see from the above information in the wikipedia article that the surfaces must be in contact with each other for there to be any friction. I am saying that continents are NOT sliding against each other, but they are separating (moving apart) so there is no friction to produce the tremendous heat that sonhouse is worried about.
So it makes no difference how slow are fast they separate (move apart), there can't be tremendous heat caused by friction.
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Originally posted by RJHindsWow, I didn't know that anyone could be this clueless about plate tectonics. I mean, it's not a new science.
We are referring to two different things. [b] I was responding to the claim by sonhouse that when continents separate (move apart) that tremendous heat will be produced by friction.
First, let us see what is the definition of friction.
[quote] Friction is the force resisting the relative motion of solid surfaces, fluid layers, and material ele ...[text shortened]... slow are fast they separate (move apart), there can't be tremendous heat caused by friction.[/b]
Sure, the plates are moving apart in the Atlantic. That's what the mid-ocean ridge is all about. What do you think the plates are doing on the other side of the world, you know, in the Pacific? Ever hear of the Ring of Fire?
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Originally posted by RJHindsThat's been my entire point on this topic.
God tells us what happened. He does not usually tell us exactly how he did it and I don't claim to have been the one to figure out all those details.
Yes, God did it, but he uses natural processes to do it. So naturally, it takes a long time. But what's time to God?
You're both right, but you want to disagree so damn much you can't acknowledge that.
Originally posted by SuzianneDon't you believe what is written about the creation in Genesis? Jesus did.
That's been my entire point on this topic.
Yes, God did it, but he uses natural processes to do it. So naturally, it takes a long time. But what's time to God?
You're both right, but you want to disagree so damn much you can't acknowledge that.
Originally posted by SuzianneAre you saying that Jesus contradicts Himself? If so, why call yourself a Christian, if you believe Jesus was lying or didn't know what He was talking about when He said the marriage of Adam and Eve took place at the beginning of creation.
Jesus also acknowledged that God does things in His own time.
Originally posted by SuzianneSo you apparently believe Jesus did not know what he was talking about when He said the Marriage of Adam and Eve took place at the beginning of Creation. I still wonder why you call yourself a Christian and don't believe Christ.
I don't think the awesomeness of God is that He did it all in six days, I think the awesomeness of God is that He did it at all. I think that is the point of Genesis 1.
Originally posted by RJHindsI think you cannot see the forest for all the trees.
Are you saying that Jesus contradicts Himself? If so, why call yourself a Christian, if you believe Jesus was lying or didn't know what He was talking about when He said the marriage of Adam and Eve took place at the beginning of creation.
Your focus is not on God, but on minutiae.
No, I do not think Jesus was lying. I think that Jesus is not saying what you think He was saying. You always try to cram God and Jesus into your own little pigeonhole of what your belief is, instead of letting God tell you what He is saying.
I think it is this reliance on minutiae that trips up many Christians.
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Originally posted by SuzianneMark 10:6-9 King James Version (KJV)
I think you cannot see the forest for all the trees.
Your focus is not on God, but on minutiae.
No, I do not think Jesus was lying. I think that Jesus is not saying what you think He was saying. You always try to cram God and Jesus into your own little pigeonhole of what your belief is, instead of letting God tell you what He is saying.
I think it is this reliance on minutiae that trips up many Christians.
But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.
For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;
And they twain shall be one flesh: so then they are no more twain, but one flesh.
What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
Explain what you think he was saying here.
Perhaps you should tell sunhouse about the minutiae he concentrates on, like how much a woman is worth and owning of slaves.
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Originally posted by RJHindsthey dont just move apart gently like two smooth surfaces. they rip apart, grind, rub..........and generate heat, and as they do that on one side there are other sides crashing together, rubbing, grinding...........and generating heat.
We are referring to two different things. [b] I was responding to the claim by sonhouse that when continents separate (move apart) that tremendous heat will be produced by friction.
First, let us see what is the definition of friction.
[quote] Friction is the force resisting the relative motion of solid surfaces, fluid layers, and material ele ...[text shortened]... slow are fast they separate (move apart), there can't be tremendous heat caused by friction.[/b]
Originally posted by stellspalfieCrashing together? You can't be serious that you actually believe something that is moving apart is crashing together at the same time. This must be just your debating tactic.
they dont just move apart gently like two smooth surfaces. they rip apart, grind, rub..........and generate heat, and as they do that on one side there are other sides crashing together, rubbing, grinding...........and generating heat.
And it should be obvious that there is not going to be any friction from rubbing or grinding to generate any heat, because the continents are not in contact with each other except deep under water, which absorbs a lot of heat if any were to be generated by any ripping apart action.
Originally posted by RJHindsAre you joking? You do know what a continent is don't you? If something is moving away from it you get the upwelling of magma into the ocean where the split hits the surface.
Crashing together? You can't be serious that you actually believe something that is moving apart is crashing together at the same time. This must be just your debating tactic.
And it should be obvious that there is not going to be any friction from rubbing or grinding to generate any heat, because the continents are not in contact with each other except ...[text shortened]... nder water, which absorbs a lot of heat if any were to be generated by any ripping apart action.
Are you suggesting that the other side of the continent where it is being forced into other continents, that is not happening?
The friction happens on the side where the crashing together happens.
And you are suggesting, no, demanding, that all happened some 20,000 times faster 6000 years ago. Anyone with a modicum of reason can see that never happened because the friction would have precluded the idea of mountains building up in the first place because they would have been a red hot molten mass of horizontally moving lava and very flat and killing all life forms in the process.
You are too limited in your knowledge of science, and deliberately so, in order for you to keep your head buried totally in the sand where it is very quiet and so you can keep your dogma from your consciousness, damn reason, full speed ahead with your continuous self lobotomizing dogma.
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Originally posted by RJHindsinterlock your fingers then pull your hands apart as hard as you can. what happened? im guessing you pulled your hands apart and caused your fingers to crash into each other.....so it is possible to move apart and crash together at the same time.... this isnt actually what i was referring to though. there are several major plates. some are moving apart, some are moving together.
Crashing together? You can't be serious that you actually believe something that is moving apart is crashing together at the same time. This must be just your debating tactic.
And it should be obvious that there is not going to be any friction from rubbing or grinding to generate any heat, because the continents are not in contact with each other except ...[text shortened]... nder water, which absorbs a lot of heat if any were to be generated by any ripping apart action.
"And it should be obvious that there is not going to be any friction from rubbing or grinding to generate any heat, because the continents are not in contact with each other except deep under water, which absorbs a lot of heat if any were to be generated by any ripping apart action".
there are lots of continents in contact overland...but thats irrelevant, we are talking tectonic plates not continents. im sure you are aware of the san andreas fault, last time i checked that wasnt underwater.