Originally posted by menace71We are spiders, vermin. Choose your metaphor. Edwards' audience were not afflicted with the self-righteousness that runs amuck through American society today. They gnashed their teeth in fear that they would be found unworthy.
True I still think the theology is off a bit. The bible talks about weeping and nashing of teeth but I think God does not desire to put us in hell! Sure someone who continuously rebels against God deserves whatever they may get and it will be just. I do agree we are definitely in God's hands and I agree also we should fear (respect) God as he is the one who can kill both body & soul in hell. Maybe I'm just splitting hairs 🙂
Manny
When Edwards delivered that sermon, in a monotone the story goes, there was infestation of repentance as has not been seen since.
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Originally posted by KellyJayIt's working a treat thanks.
EXODUS 20:13 "You shall not murder."
Does that work for you?
Kelly
EXODUS 20:13 "You shall not murder."
Why is the state therefore exempt from Gods rule?
Would i also be correct in guessing you're pro-life with regard to your view of abortion.
Originally posted by Proper KnobMurder is the unlawful act of killing there are several ways by which
It's working a treat thanks.
EXODUS 20:13 "You shall not murder."
Why is the state therefore exempt from Gods rule?
Would i also be correct in guessing you're pro-life with regard to your view of abortion.
killing is legal.
With respect to abortion I am pro-life.
Kelly
Originally posted by Proper KnobI am sure you will find many verses where people are commanded to kill (on behalf of the state I suppose) - thus there is either a serious contradiction in exodus or the word 'murder' in that context does not mean 'premeditated killing of a human being'.
EXODUS 20:13 "You shall not murder."
Why is the state therefore exempt from Gods rule?
I for one am fairly sure that the verse in Exodus is talking specifically about unlawful killing.
Note: I am an atheist and am not trying to 'rationalize' the Bible or anything.
I must also point out that the 10 commandments may have had other subtle conditions such as not necessarily applying to slaves or non-Jews.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadYou should read the rules about slaves, and non-Jews or strangers.
I am sure you will find many verses where people are commanded to kill (on behalf of the state I suppose) - thus there is either a serious contradiction in exodus or the word 'murder' in that context does not mean 'premeditated killing of a human being'.
I for one am fairly sure that the verse in Exodus is talking specifically about unlawful killing.
N y have had other subtle conditions such as not necessarily applying to slaves or non-Jews.
Kelly
Originally posted by Proper KnobPro-Life is not a defense of living people; rather, it is defense of those that have yet to take a breath. Once they are born, the Pro-Life position is moot, and other considerations come to the fore.
How can you be pro-life and support the killing of people?
It just seems an illogical contradiction to me.
Originally posted by Wulebgri thought life began at conception? regardless of this, Bible condemns abortion, life is life and it does not belong to humans to take it.
Pro-Life is not a defense of living people; rather, it is defense of those that have yet to take a breath. Once they are born, the Pro-Life position is moot, and other considerations come to the fore.
Originally posted by Proper Knobwhen it comes to the controversial question of whether any government of this world should exercise a 'right', to execute murderers, we remain carefully neutral, that being said noobster, according to the bible, it appears that governments do have authority to execute those who are wilful murders. see Romans 13
What about the death penalty? What's the JW's view on this matter?
i reproduce it hear for your consideration
(Romans 13:1-4) . . .Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves. For those ruling are an object of fear, not to the good deed, but to the bad. Do you, then, want to have no fear of the authority? Keep doing good, and you will have praise from it; for it is God’s minister to you for your good. But if you are doing what is bad, be in fear: for it is not without purpose that it bears the sword; for it is God’s minister, an avenger to express wrath upon the one practicing what is bad.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDuh. Well, maybe not. The Bible equates breath with life, not conception. The Bible fails to address protection of the unborn in a way that limits future humans to those already conceived. It does make provisions for the unborn that will be born centuries from now. Only creative misreading can locate a clear anti-abortion position in the Bible.
i thought life began at conception? regardless of this, Bible condemns abortion, life is life and it does not belong to humans to take it.
The point, of course, is that someone opposed to abortion also will oppose the death penalty, war, and those politicians that would callously deny health care to the poor. There are approximately 183 people in the USA holding this consistent view, and calling themselves Christian.
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Originally posted by Wulebgrplease before using the term 'duh', especially in the context of scripture, i would be careful, for the scriptures make full provision for the unborn child, 'duh', or have you never read, 'duh',
Duh. Well, maybe not. The Bible equates breath with life, not conception. The Bible fails to address protection of the unborn in a way that limits future humans to those already conceived. It does make provisions for the unborn that will be born centuries from now. Only creative misreading can locate a clear anti-abortion position in the Bible.
The poin ...[text shortened]... roximately 183 people in the USA holding this consistent view, and calling themselves Christian.
(Exodus 21:22-23) . . .“And in case men should struggle with each other and they really hurt a pregnant woman and her children do come out but no fatal accident occurs, he is to have damages imposed upon him without fail according to what the owner of the woman may lay upon him; and he must give it through the justices. But if a fatal accident should occur, then you must give soul for soul
you will note that in Gods view, an unborn child, at whatever stage of development is considered as a life, that is why reparation had to be administered if the unborn child lost its life. even though the Law is no longer binding on Christians, the principles remain and it is of interest to note, how God values and views the life of unborn children, as this passage clearly indicates, 'duh'.