I was wondering what happened to RC 🙂 ? I've heard the argument that from conception to ripe old age there should be value on the life. Just because at conception or later the life can't live (human) outside it's mother does not negate that it's a Human created in the image of God. Just the same as someone of old age person. There should be no distinction that the life is a human just because it's at different stages of development or age or life. I agree with this argument. Christians get blamed for being non-scientific but in an age of enlightenment we know the fetus/zygote whatever term we want to apply is a human. it's not a freaking frog or a dog or a monkey. Hey RC it seems that Sir Issac Newton may have been an non-trinitarian possibly even an Arian just found that very interesting.
Manny
I've also heard the argument that the death penalty actually puts a value on life. I struggle with this one a bit but there is some truth in this. It might cause a would be criminal to think twice before they take another's life. It should mean that we respect life so much that if someone takes a life of another they will pay with their own life. However I know there are problems with the death penalty.
Manny
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Originally posted by menace71what is of great interest Manny is that Newton was a very religious man, the vast majority of the words hat he penned, were confirmation of his religious beliefs, ill post an article for you. yup, he was not a trinitarian, read it and weep my friend!
I was wondering what happened to RC 🙂 ? I've heard the argument that from conception to ripe old age there should be value on the life. Just because at conception or later the life can't live (human) outside it's mother does not negate that it's a Human created in the image of God. Just the same as someone of old age person. There should be no distinctio een an non-trinitarian possibly even an Arian just found that very interesting.
Manny
as for RC, i been trying to concentrate on my chess Manny, actually trying to win some games, i have Noobster in my sights, he can run but he cannot hide, then Whodey, then Terrier Jack, then Beetle , then Fabian, the ultimate prize!
Originally posted by robbie carrobielife is life and it does not belong to humans to take it
i thought life began at conception? regardless of this, Bible condemns abortion, life is life and it does not belong to humans to take it.
Doesn't Roman 1-3, which you have posted completley contradict the above statement.
I'll get back to you with my views on Romans 1-3 tomorrow. I need to make a chess few moves this evening.
Originally posted by Proper KnobI'd point out that murder is the unlawful act of killing a human, it is
How can you be pro-life and support the killing of people?
It just seems an illogical contradiction to me.
not the unlawful act of killing a cow, dog, fish, or oak tree. I believe
human life starts at its conception, where the process once begun
will end with a human living his/her life among us. If you block
conception you do not get a new human life, once conception occurs
and the process begins a human life will go through all things all
humans go through. Someone who was convicted of a crime has by
their own actions by law caused themselves to be placed where the
punishment is death. The human life at conception has done nothing
to warrant death outside of having a mother who cares more about
something other than the new life in her.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI don't know your position on murder and slaves. You merely said I should read up on them. I have no interest in reading the whole Bible just to look for passages that you have cryptically referred to which might actually agree with me anyway. If you have a point, make it. Simply saying 'go read the Bible' will get you no where.
Enlighten you, your the one that brought them up, if you feel I'm
wrong about murder and slaves show me.
Kelly
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAlways funny how some bits of the Bible get ignored while other parts of the same verse are taken to be proof that abortion is wrong.
(Exodus 21:22-23) .... according to what the owner of the woman may lay upon him.....
Does anyone here believe that the above verse justifies ownership of women? Or is there another explanation?
Originally posted by twhiteheadFair enough, I will come back to this.
I don't know your position on murder and slaves. You merely said I should read up on them. I have no interest in reading the whole Bible just to look for passages that you have cryptically referred to which might actually agree with me anyway. If you have a point, make it. Simply saying 'go read the Bible' will get you no where.
Kelly
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Originally posted by Proper Knobyes it might noobster, actually between you and me, i was not sure of our stance on capital punishment, therefore i had to look it up quickly. The difference of course is that in the case of premeditated murder, a life has been taken and punitive action results, in the case of an unborn, this we hold to be a premeditated murderous action, for the unborn has committed no crime and has the right to life, as any innocent person has. But sure, Romans 13:1-3 is real interesting topic.
[b]life is life and it does not belong to humans to take it
Doesn't Roman 1-3, which you have posted completley contradict the above statement.
I'll get back to you with my views on Romans 1-3 tomorrow. I need to make a chess few moves this evening.[/b]
Originally posted by robbie carrobieRomans 13 (New Living Translation)
yes it might noobster, actually between you and me, i was not sure of our stance on capital punishment, therefore i had to look it up quickly. The difference of course is that in the case of premeditated murder, a life has been taken and punitive action results, in the case of an unborn, this we hold to be a premeditated murderous action, for the un ...[text shortened]... e right to life, as any innocent person has. But sure, Romans 13:1-3 is real interesting topic.
Respect for Authority
Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSlavery too. Hard to apply to the modern world, penalties dictated by the owner of a woman.
please before using the term 'duh', especially in the context of scripture, i would be careful, for the scriptures make full provision for the unborn child, 'duh', or have you never read, 'duh',
(Exodus 21:22-23) . . .“And in case men should struggle with each other and they really hurt a pregnant woman and her children do come out but no fatal a ...[text shortened]... values and views the life of unborn children, as this passage clearly indicates, 'duh'.
Strictly third trimester. Not a fetus in the sense of the abortion debate.
If that's the best you have, I won this argument without a fight.
Sorry to twist your tail with that terrible word.
Originally posted by Wulebgr"Strictly third trimester. Not a fetus in the sense of the abortion debate. "
Slavery too. Hard to apply to the modern world, penalties dictated by the owner of a woman.
Strictly third trimester. Not a fetus in the sense of the abortion debate.
If that's the best you have, I won this argument without a fight.
Sorry to twist your tail with that terrible word.
What is this supposed to mean? A human fetus is still a human
life in one of its early stages of development.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayyup, i might as well have been talking to the wall, at least its a lot less slithery! you will note, that it was essentially impossible for our friend to address the issue, therefore he tried to divert, sorry but were not buying, i dont even think that he himself bought it, then to state nothing about the verse and to claim some kind of victory on the basis of what, im still wondering myself,
"Strictly third trimester. Not a fetus in the sense of the abortion debate. "
What is this supposed to mean? A human fetus is still a human
life in one of its early stages of development.
Kelly
Wulger states, 'the Bible fails to address protection of the unborn....', well thank you very much Wulger dude 1-0 Robbie Carrobie.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieInteresting ... look this up in Young's Literal Translation and you get:
please before using the term 'duh', especially in the context of scripture, i would be careful, for the scriptures make full provision for the unborn child, 'duh', or have you never read, 'duh',
(Exodus 21:22-23) . . .“And in case men should struggle with each other and they really hurt a pregnant woman and her children do come out but no fatal a ...[text shortened]... values and views the life of unborn children, as this passage clearly indicates, 'duh'.
22`And when men strive, and have smitten a pregnant woman, and her children have come out, and there is no mischief, he is certainly fined, as the husband of the woman doth lay upon him, and he hath given through the judges;"Mischief" seems about as clear as mud here. Mischief for whom? Is it possible that the 'life' in 'life for life' is the mother's life?
23and if there is mischief, then thou hast given life for life,
24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.