Originally posted by LemonJelloThis is a hard one for me because I'm not sure I can come up with a better argument. I guess it's the designer argument if we designed something and it was not exactly how we wanted we might have the right to fix it or destroy it or whatever. I think thought there is the aspect that God does not want to destroy, murder, kill whatever definition we want to place on this all human beings. I disagree with John Edward's theology because I think it's an un-balanced view of God's wrath and anger towards man. While I agree un-repentant man is vile in God's eyes it because they continue to reject God's gift to all men. I think however God loves mankind even in our screwed up state. If this were not true than why send His son to pay for sin? It satisfied God's wrath & justice.
Thanks.
[b]Well I would argue it from the stand point that God is all powerful and can do as he wills.
As I sort of mentioned to KellyJay earlier, this doesn't seem to be a good argument. Sure, if he is all powerful, then God can successfully bring about basically whatever he wants. That follows pretty trivially. But that it is permissible fo ...[text shortened]... terests and can suffer and do have points of view under which things can go badly, etc.[/b]
Manny
Originally posted by menace71Have you read the full sermon of Edwards?
This is a hard one for me because I'm not sure I can come up with a better argument. I guess it's the designer argument if we designed something and it was not exactly how we wanted we might have the right to fix it or destroy it or whatever. I think thought there is the aspect that God does not want to destroy, murder, kill whatever definition we want to ...[text shortened]... rue than why send His son to pay for sin? It satisfied God's wrath & justice.
Manny
Kelly
Originally posted by Wulebgr"Yea, there is nothing else that is to be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell."
One of the strongest statements of the human condition ever penned came from a sermon delivered in 1741 in Enfield, Connecticut.
The God that holds you over the pit of hell, much as one holds a spider, or some loathsome insect over the fire, abhors you, and is dreadfully provoked: his wrath towards you burns like fire; he looks upon you as worthy of ...[text shortened]... be given as a reason why you do not this very moment drop down into hell.
Jonathan Edwards
I'm assuming the sermon was delivered to the unsaved?
Because a saved person has no fear of hell.
Ephesians 1:6 - To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
True I still think the theology is off a bit. The bible talks about weeping and nashing of teeth but I think God does not desire to put us in hell! Sure someone who continuously rebels against God deserves whatever they may get and it will be just. I do agree we are definitely in God's hands and I agree also we should fear (respect) God as he is the one who can kill both body & soul in hell. Maybe I'm just splitting hairs 🙂
Manny