Originally posted by ZahlanziFirst of all i did not author the Bible, its not therefore my sickening world. If you cannot get that correct then what hope is there for you? All you have is your emotional tabloid flim flam, please spare me, i only deal in logic and reason, not in slobber and drool.
"No what is sickening is your use of children to make some kind of floundering emotional argument."
i shouldn't use children when discussing how god murdered children? the reason i use children is that it is the easiest argument to make. in your sick world, it is ok to murder an entire nation because someone declared that they are all evil and deserve the ...[text shortened]... dition that your god is evil: children are not evil, murdering them for whatever reason is evil.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie"First of all i did not author the Bible, its not therefore my sickening world."
First of all i did not author the Bible, its not therefore my sickening world. If you cannot get that correct then what hope is there for you? All you have is your emotional tabloid flim flam, please spare me, i only deal in logic and reason, not in slobber and drool.
so declare, here and now, that the global flood is a sickening act of evil (i will not mind if you still believe it's real). declare here and now that it was wrong to murder the entire population of jericho, that it was wrong to murder the firstborns of egypt.
declare that and i will take back what i said about you. i will even apologise for misjudging you.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIn Syria the Christian population is pretty much gone now.
Islamic state are committing acts of murder, whether it is genocide remains to be seen.
As to how many have died at the hands of Muslims will probably never be known.
They will probably go down in history less acknowledged than the Christians in Armenia who died by the Muslim genocide there.
Originally posted by Proper KnobGod sustained Adam and Eve in the Garden.
Where do illness and disease fit into this claim of yours? What about natural disasters? Surely genetic diseases have nothing to do with people making poor decisions? What about people being killed in an earthquake? Or a flood? A tsunami?
You also avoided answering to the question as to 'how' there is suffering?!
There were no life threatening issues to deal with there.
Once they sinned they were kicked out and told to survive on their own since they had rejected their God.
Originally posted by ZahlanziThe global flood was an act of judicial execution. If you have any issues with it why are you telling me? I have no issues with God being the universal sovereign, of giving and taking life.
"First of all i did not author the Bible, its not therefore my sickening world."
so declare, here and now, that the global flood is a sickening act of evil (i will not mind if you still believe it's real). declare here and now that it was wrong to murder the entire population of jericho, that it was wrong to murder the firstborns of egypt.
declare that and i will take back what i said about you. i will even apologise for misjudging you.
Originally posted by whodeyI see, you basically fall back on ancient Jewish mythology to deal with how there is suffering.
God sustained Adam and Eve in the Garden.
There were no life threatening issues to deal with there.
Once they sinned they were kicked out and told to survive on their own since they had rejected their God.
Are you going to have a stab at my other questions?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou could call it revenge. But as I understand the story, and correct me if I'm wrong, there is a significant amount of time between the attack and the retribution. I don't think you would be too chipper if marauding armies of English loons came marching into Scotland killing 'men, women and children' seeking revenge for something which happened in the 1700's.
judicial execution and its not spin. There are many persons who are judicially executed each year and they are not considered to have been murdered.
The Amalekites were “the first one of the nations” to launch an unprovoked attack on the Israelites after the Exodus, at Rephidim near Mount Sinai. As a consequence, Jehovah decreed ultimate extincti ...[text shortened]... retribution for that attack?
http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1200000216?q=Amalekites&p=par
Secondly, what is also startling is your justification of 'collective punishment'. Which is what this disturbing story demonstrates. Justifying the killing women and children for the actions of adult men is surely not your style? But this is what you are doing.
Finally, even if this obliteration of the Akalemites is an act of revenge or retribution, it doesn't change the fact the Isarelites committed genocide. They sought to destroy an entire ethnic populous, 'men, women, children and cattle'.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobWhy must you zoobs always attempt to make the issue personal, its as if you cannot comment from a detached perspective. I understand that God as the universal sovereign has the right to take life. He was the originator of life, life belongs to him, he can take it. It does not belong to anyone else to take life. And just to temper your moral indignation you and your materialistic friends have NO QUALMS about taking the life of unborn children so dont give me any of your jive talk about killing children. Bunch of psycho killers man!
You have no issues with the killing of children by your God figure?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm making it personal? What are you havering on about you loon?! We're talking about your personal views pertaining to your God figure committing genocide, sorry..........'judicially executing' people. How can't he subject not be personal?
Why must you zoobs always attempt to make the issue personal, its as if you cannot comment from a detached perspective. I understand that God as the universal sovereign has the right to take life. He was the originator of life, life belongs to him, he can take it. It does not belong to anyone else to take life. And just to temper your moral indign ...[text shortened]... ldren so dont give me any of your jive talk about killing children. Bunch of psycho killers man!
Are you going to have stab at the other questions above?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieso you are saying the killing of all those children was justified.
The global flood was an act of judicial execution. If you have any issues with it why are you telling me? I have no issues with God being the universal sovereign, of giving and taking life.
noah was the only good person in the world. and his wife. and his children and their wives.
aside from children, do you think there could have possibly been someone not so bad? in your kind of hellish society, were people are evil, it stands to reason there might be some victims who don't have time to be evil, them being pushed around by those around them. couldn't they have been saved?
also, how evil were they exactly? they mocked noah for building the ark but not one of them tried to steal all that wood. or maybe make himself some koala steak (no that good meat, koalas having to walk from australia). or maybe kill noah.
how many deserved death and how many were killed just because god couldn't be bothered to mind control them? (which was possible as proven with pharaoh).
but nevermind all that though. it was not evil at all to kill the children along with the parents?
Originally posted by robbie carrobie"Why must you zoobs always attempt to make the issue personal,"
Why must you zoobs always attempt to make the issue personal, its as if you cannot comment from a detached perspective. I understand that God as the universal sovereign has the right to take life. He was the originator of life, life belongs to him, he can take it. It does not belong to anyone else to take life. And just to temper your moral indign ...[text shortened]... ldren so dont give me any of your jive talk about killing children. Bunch of psycho killers man!
the thought of someone killing children makes you uncomfortable? it should.
" its as if you cannot comment from a detached perspective."
we are commenting from a detached perspective. we are discussing how god killed children.
" I understand that God as the universal sovereign has the right to take life. He was the originator of life, life belongs to him, he can take it"
absent any kind of justice, reason? he can kill anyone on a whim? yes, that makes it evil. that's the very definition of evil. parents killing their children are evil or insane. god refers to him as our father, not our owner. father killed his children in the noah's flood.
"And just to temper your moral indignation you and your materialistic friends have NO QUALMS about taking the life of unborn children"
just as a side note, there is a slight difference between aborting what is essentially a bunch of cells and killing ALL the children in the world. we are discussing how god killed all the children in the world during the flood. humans having abortions don't have any relevance to that topic, and neither does any other instances of "murder", justified or not.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobThese are not my personal views you muppet, they are the views of the author of the Bible. When was the last time you looked and found may name on any one of the books of the Bible - the First Epistle of Robbie by way of example - man you are wired. I have already answered your question.
I'm making it personal? What are you havering on about you loon?! We're talking about your personal views pertaining to your God figure committing genocide, sorry..........'judicially executing' people. How can't he subject not be personal?
Are you going to have stab at the other questions above?
Originally posted by Zahlanziunworthy of serious comment and beneath my personal majesty and dignity to furnish with a comment other than to say its entirely relevant.
"Why must you zoobs always attempt to make the issue personal,"
the thought of someone killing children makes you uncomfortable? it should.
" its as if you cannot comment from a detached perspective."
we are commenting from a detached perspective. we are discussing how god killed children.
" I understand that God as the universal sovereign has the ...[text shortened]... any relevance to that topic, and neither does any other instances of "murder", justified or not.