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-Removed-Christians believe there will be a hell and a lake of fire because Christ said so. Christians believe what Christ said. Do you believe what Christ said?
Or are you so horrified by the idea of hell and the lake of fire you can't believe a 'loving' God would have created such a place for the devil and his minions, and then allow anyone else who rejects him to go where he intends to send the devil and his minions?
Are you perhaps hoping there's a third option for you if you choose to not believe what Christ tells you? Identifying yourself as a Christian doesn't have the power to make you a Christian. You could paint the word 'refrigerator' on the side of your car, but this wouldn't have the power to make your car a refrigerator. Besides, cars are much more expensive than refrigerators so what would be the point? But more to the point, painting the word Christian on your forehead wouldn't mean you are one...
A Christian is someone who believes what Christ says.
And there are a few other reasons why any Christian here would question whether or not you really are a Christian (or not), but it's so obvious that it's not worth mentioning... most atheists would be able to figure this out as well.
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-Removed-Okay, I'll bite... what question?
And while you're getting ready to toss out the same question you're never satisfied with seeing an answer to, I'll explain a bit more why very few Christians would be fooled by you labeling yourself a Christian.
You have a very cavalier and dismissive attitude toward Christians who do not share your particular beliefs, whatever those beliefs might happen to be. It's a bit difficult to know what you believe when all you do is attack people who don't agree with you. It seems as though you are not a bit concerned over whether or not there actually is a God who is watching and recording this.
You also appear to think Christians should all be the same cardboard cut out sort of person who couldn't possibly get along with anyone who doesn't share a particular doctrinal belief... which just happens to be the same narrow minded approach many atheists take when arguing with Christians (coincidence?).
You seemed to be appalled that I would joke around and cavort with a JW (I thought that was hilarious) but on what did you base your apparent indignation? Was it because he obviously doesn't believe everything I believe?
Neither you or FMF could figure out what I meant when I said (in a different thread some time ago) that there will be JW in heaven, but they won't be there because they are JW. And there will be Catholics in heaven, but they won't be there because they are Catholic. True to form FMF responded by asking 'will there be Mormons in heaven?' You on the other hand were curiously silent and said nothing about it one way or the other. So either you did understand what I was saying or you didn't, but either way you didn't respond. I think this may have been one of those occasions when you called me a liar... but you've gotten into the habit of tossing that line out so often now that it doesn't matter anymore, because now it smells more like desperation than an accusation.
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-Removed-Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
If an individual believes in any person or place or thing, why in the world would he or she become threatened by the contrarian beliefs of others? Inadequate substantiation of those beliefs? Lack of conviction? Emotional insecurity? Other gnawing personal issues?
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Originally posted by lemon limeIt's interesting that you would say this when you yourself are questioning divegeester's Christian beliefs because he seems not to meet your criteria and because he questions some of the beliefs of fellow Christians on a forum that exists for debate and discussion about those beliefs.
You also appear to think Christians should all be the same cardboard cut out sort of person who couldn't possibly get along with anyone who doesn't share a particular doctrinal belief... which just happens to be the same narrow minded approach many atheists take when arguing with Christians (coincidence?).
Originally posted by lemon limeIt's also interesting that you would criticize him for supposedly saying "Christians should all be the same cardboard cut out sort of person" when you yourself, in the previous post, quite clearly had some sort of cardboard cut out of your own in mind when you said "Christians believe there will be a hell and a lake of fire because Christ said so" when you know full well that there are countless millions of Christians who, like divegeester, do not believe in non-believers and/or sinners being tortured for eternity ~ which is the topic of this thread.
You also appear to think Christians should all be the same cardboard cut out sort of person who couldn't possibly get along with anyone who doesn't share a particular doctrinal belief... which just happens to be the same narrow minded approach many atheists take when arguing with Christians (coincidence?)
Originally posted by lemon limeWhat about the "very cavalier and dismissive attitude toward Christians who do not share [their] particular beliefs" of several of the other regular Christian posters here? You seem very selective with who you seem to want to attack. It just seems to be divegeester much of the time. There are combative, dismissive, ad hominem-wielding Christian posters here who are spared your dreary put downs.
You have a very cavalier and dismissive attitude toward Christians who do not share your particular beliefs, whatever those beliefs might happen to be. It's a bit difficult to know what you believe when all you do is attack people who don't agree with you.
Originally posted by FMFYes FMF, I know the question dive was referring to... because it's the same question he's been asking and refusing to acknowledge whenever it's answered. But aren't you going to call me liar and say the example I gave about JW and Catholics in heaven never happened? It started with you asking me if I thought Catholics will go to heaven...
It's also interesting that you would criticize him for supposedly saying "Christians should all be the same cardboard cut out sort of person" when you yourself, in the previous post, quite clearly had some sort of cardboard cut out of your own in mind when you said [b]"Christians believe there will be a hell and a lake of fire because Christ said so" when yo ...[text shortened]... in non-believers and/or sinners being tortured for eternity ~ which is the topic of this thread.[/b]
Do you remember this, or do you think I'm lying?
Originally posted by FMFI'm waiting to see what your boyfriend has to say about this. He can deflect and evade without your help... or maybe he can't, but let's just wait and see, shall we?
What about the "very cavalier and dismissive attitude toward Christians who do not share [their] particular beliefs" of several of the other regular Christian posters here? You seem very selective with who [b]you seem to want to attack. It just seems to be divegeester much of the time. There are combative, dismissive, ad hominem-wielding Christian posters here who are spared your dreary put downs.[/b]