Originally posted by black beetle"Who are you when you are not high on yourself, and who are you when you are high on drugs? "
It is my knowledge that my endogenous drugs keep me higher than the exogenous. I am always high on my endogenous drugs and I don't need a fix. So I control the projections of my mind and the channels I want to occupy, and this way I use my mind instead of letting it use me. Being high on myself, myself I remain and I drive the projections of my mind the ...[text shortened]...
Who are you when you are not high on yourself, and who are you when you are high on drugs?
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At present I am contemplating a reply that will trigger a nice little squirt of endorphins in both our brains, BB. This one is doing it for me! 😵
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoI didn't mention God. I didn't even capitalize "universe." If God was involved, it would be His thing, to take it personally and regard it as a trivialization.
More to the point:- You had gone in for some drug taking--may be out of curiosity--and had an experience which in remebrance appears as if experiencing God. Don't you now consider that your relating this episode, is somewhat a trivialisation of God ? Is God to be reduced to an experience of a drug taker ? Is this not something similar to the use of " God Helmet " --a foolish and childish trivialisation of God ?
Originally posted by JS357I have had so many experiences firstly on drugs and then without that I would say it would be something like once a week.
Karoly's post reminds me of this topic.
I am speaking of real, chemical drugs here. YDMV.
Once about 35 years ago, outside an Alpha Beta grocery store in Saratoga, CA, I, being high on weed, had an experience that is hard to wordify but I will call it being one with the universe. It began by noticing the star filled sky. (You know the pothead question: H ...[text shortened]... just part of the process for me.
Does anyone have something similar they want to describe?
It made me question the whole notion of reality. What was real? the physical reality that we all adhere to or the alternate reality that I experienced while tripping (trpping without drugs).
My conclusion these days about all that is that those experiences were just there to remind me. So that I would not forget in the mundane consiousness that it was just as filled with satori as the more out-there experiences.
I have some young friends who get hold of dmt . They've given it me some once for free.
What once would blown my mind and made me stay indoors for the next 48hours had become normal.
These guys were blown away that I could sit there and commentate on my own trip as opposed to just sitting back and tripping out as there other customers did.
Originally posted by black beetleYou can know God through His only begotten Son. HalleluYah !!!
I don't use the word because I refer to a concept that transcends entirely anything comprehensible to the human mind; if I was giving it a name as if I knew that such an entity were existent and somehow perceived by my mind, I would in fact deny the existence of that entity because it would not have been really transcedental😵
Originally posted by karoly aczelSelf and the dream stuff from which we create our reality, are empty of inherent existence. To say that a drug-boosted reality is more real than the "regular" reality, does not hold. Also, both realities are empty, clinging is a bitch😵
I have had so many experiences firstly on drugs and then without that I would say it would be something like once a week.
It made me question the whole notion of reality. What was real? the physical reality that we all adhere to or the alternate reality that I experienced while tripping (trpping without drugs).
My conclusion these days about all ...[text shortened]... e on my own trip as opposed to just sitting back and tripping out as there other customers did.
Originally posted by JS357True. You didn't mention God. Actually, Proper Knob mentioned it. Sorry. You are an agnostic, if I remember it correctly. But you did mention being in a Cosmic Space with an immediacy. Can one say that it was a spiritual experience ? I certainly took it as that. That is why I got upset, thinking what a way to trivialise a quest into spiritual experience and thereby God.
I didn't mention God. I didn't even capitalize "universe." If God was involved, it would be His thing, to take it personally and regard it as a trivialization.
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoWas your post directed at JS357 meant to be for me?
True. You didn't mention God. Actually, Proper Knob mentioned it. Sorry. You are an agnostic, if I remember it correctly. But you did mention being in a Cosmic Space with an immediacy. Can one say that it was a spiritual experience ? I certainly took it as that. That is why I got upset, thinking what a way to trivialise a quest into spiritual experience and thereby God.
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Originally posted by Proper KnobDon't you understand the meaning of "NO"? It was not meant for you, dummy.
Okay.
Could you elaborate a little on this -Is this not something similar to the use of " God Helmet " --a foolish and childish trivialisation of God ?
In what way do you find this particular experiment childish and trivial?
Originally posted by rvsakhadeoOK I get it.
True. You didn't mention God. Actually, Proper Knob mentioned it. Sorry. You are an agnostic, if I remember it correctly. But you did mention being in a Cosmic Space with an immediacy. Can one say that it was a spiritual experience ? I certainly took it as that. That is why I got upset, thinking what a way to trivialise a quest into spiritual experience and thereby God.
BTW I have a little trouble* with the labels like agnostic, theist, etc. I don't consider myself to be agnostic. I am one who for a long time has lacked belief in deity and for some of that time thought I had a basis for saying "there is no deity." Now I align myself more with those who say that the concept of deity is incoherent, although my beliefs about it seem similar to BB's comment in this thread about transcendence -- in my estimation, any human-formed concept of deity, even the concept of existence -- is likely to significantly miss the mark. Presently I lean toward saying there is no imaginable deity. Next week, another set of words might fit better.
*But it's only a little trouble.