Originally posted by stokerI hope it is not as a Roman Catholic.
i was a bit suprized to read this from you. you have a good knowledge of which you share on this site. i go to church every sunday [ unless sickness prevails]. i see it as my gift to god on a personal level. tho i understand your unease with a doctrine of a church against what you think is right [i say think because we wont know till he tells us]. still i am ...[text shortened]... m to test my christianity] and give at the minimum some of my time gathered together in worship.
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Originally posted by rwingettWithout good quality theists then 'good quality atheism' (or agnosticism) is difficult to sustain. The reason for this is clear: to varying extents, the motivation to be inventive (or paraphrase an argument that has already been delivered in the past) correlates with the extent to which the majority of active theists are capable of following you, and their motivation to engage in a good battle. With the likes of RJHinds, RBHILL, josephw, Galveston, Dasa, Sumydid, and so on... representing the bulk of theistic "thought" then detail and ingenuity comes with an opportunity cost I and surely many other atheists aren't willing to pay.
It's not the Christians I'm worried about. They're just as stupid as they've always been. The problem is the atheists. The caliber of the atheist posters has plummeted in recent years. With a few exceptions, they're sounding almost as stupid as the Christians these days.
For my part, posting here serves merely to distract me from the horrors of work, dwelling on going to work tomorrow, or honing my skills (as they pertain to work) when I'm at home - I have less patience for engaging the fundies in the battle than I have motivation for taking pot-shots at them.
There are some "non-atheists" who are comfortably more sophisticated than the crowd but their contributions are less frequent and easily obscured.
Further up this page, from one of the forums' poisonous and sadly prolific little 'spiritual' gargoyles, in response to a fellow poster's expression of their Christian faith and optimism:
"I hope it is not as a Roman Catholic."
Just about sums up the tawdry, misanthropic, another adjective, regurgitatingly partisan nature of much of the feeble and ugly, another adjective, discourse that has befallen this community. 😞
Originally posted by FMFCan you revive it then?
Further up this page, from one of the forums' poisonous and sadly prolific little 'spiritual' gargoyles, in response to a fellow poster's expression of their Christian faith and optimism:
[b]"I hope it is not as a Roman Catholic."
Just about sums up the tawdry, misanthropic, another adjective, regurgitatingly partisan nature of much of the feeble and ugly, another adjective, discourse that has befallen this community. 😞[/b]
Originally posted by RJHindsSeveral people have already lamented the loss or absence of 'theologians' and religionists who were prominent in the past. So in the face of that, and the kind of shallow smackdown religionist 'theology' people like you offer, I think the answer to 'Can you revive it then?' is no.
Can you revive it then?
Originally posted by FMFI am sorry if I have contributed to the death of this Spirituality Forum.
Several people have already lamented the loss or absence of 'theologians' and religionists who were prominent in the past. So in the face of that, and the kind of shallow smackdown religionist 'theology' people like you offer, I think the answer to 'Can you revive it then?' is no.
But does the theory of evolution and an earth that is billions of years
old rather than a few thousand help the Spirituality Forum at all?
Originally posted by RJHindsDoes it help the Spirituality Forum at all? Well it might help you to understand (or even rather enjoy the fact) that other people's belief systems are different from yours. If it reduced your plodding misanthropy then it would perhaps "help", yes. What do you want? Every member of the community to believe the same thing?
I am sorry if I have contributed to the death of this Spirituality Forum.
But does the theory of evolution and an earth that is billions of years
old rather than a few thousand help the Spirituality Forum at all?
Originally posted by FMFI would like everyone to believe the truth. It seems to be a matter to debate
Does it help the Spirituality Forum at all? Well it might help you to understand (or even rather enjoy the fact) that other people's belief systems are different from yours. If it reduced your plodding misanthropy then it would perhaps "help", yes. What do you want? Every member of the community to believe the same thing?
what that is. However if there is only the natural and no supernatural then
there would be no need for a Spirituality Forum to discuss the supernatural.
What do you believe the truth is?
Originally posted by rwingettIt did come out like that didn't it? (ie that I was addressing just the christians)
It's not the Christians I'm worried about. They're just as stupid as they've always been. The problem is the atheists. The caliber of the atheist posters has plummeted in recent years. With a few exceptions, they're sounding almost as stupid as the Christians these days.
Well, I actually meant everyone, it's just that christians are the predominant theists on here, (also I live in a christian community which is very un-christian at times, hence I think my criticisms are justified.)
As for the calibre of atheists on here I guess the quality has dropped a bit, but I would hardly say it's dying out altogether. That's a bit over the top , dont you think?
(I notice googlefudge loves ya😉 )
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Originally posted by twhiteheadThat's one of things about religion/spirituality- it's a never ending circle of reasoning. What I mean by that is that it doesn't matter where you enter the circle, you will inevitably (if you are a true ,honest "seeker" ), come upon the same points sooner or later again and again. This can be boring, but as I tell my kid, there's a hell a lot of worse things to be than bored.
Maybe our IQ's are going down from spending too much time here. Lets get out now, while we still can!
I think the real problem is all the really good posters have tackled every major issue quite well, and have either left, or pop in now and again to say "that was discussed quite nicely in thread .....".
Do you get me?
Originally posted by stokerThats the first time I've heard RJ described as having "good knowledge" . (I'll just leave that there, I find it funny, it gave me a nice little chuckle inside,thnx)
i was a bit suprized to read this from you. you have a good knowledge of which you share on this site. i go to church every sunday [ unless sickness prevails]. i see it as my gift to god on a personal level. tho i understand your unease with a doctrine of a church against what you think is right [i say think because we wont know till he tells us]. still i am ...[text shortened]... m to test my christianity] and give at the minimum some of my time gathered together in worship.
Would you agree that this is the place for christians to have their faith tested?