Study your Bible to know who God is.

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i asked you who is lying, you or Paul, you are saying that Christ is equal to God, Paul
is saying that he never even considered the idea, so who is it, you or Paul? Is that
clear and simple enough? Lets see how you avoid answering it now for the third time.
As for me, i am uninterested in your theological bias, i know why you harbour it and
on what basis, i have provided much grammatical and linguistic arguments as to why
the idea that Christ is God is utterly without foundation, you may make reference to
those.

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I came to my conclusions from my own search for the truth mixed with a study of the Holy Bible but my conclusions are closer to Buddhism than it is to what is generally considered acceptable Christianity from the little I have read of Buddhism.

Most Christians I know either believe they know everything or believe that the only thing you need to know is that Jesus died on the cross for your sins... most Christians I know haven't studied the Holy Bible as extensively as I have either. I am in no way stating that studying the Bible will lead you to the same conclusions only that a great many "Christians" seem to be satisfied being spoon fed supposed "knowledge" from strangers . I believe that our conclusions can both be correct and different until we become one with God, Thus the path for you and I can be different but correct as long as it begins and ends from God.

Edit: This is why I tend to ask instead of tell... my question come from my own conclusions so they are biased but a question regardless of bias should lead one to ones own conclusions if one answers it oneself. But if I tell you something that is biased it cannot lead one to ones own conclusions unless one questions it.

Originally posted by RJHinds
If you are interrested the following is a fair evaluation of Jason BeDuhn's
book "Truth in Translation" where the reviewer points out the difficulty
of preventing bias in an accurate translation that presents the view of an
author.

http://www.tetragrammaton.org/truthintrans.html

what a piece of nonsense this is, why dont you suggest that he read the book for
himself and evaluates it with his own mind instead of insisting that he gets second
hand point of view from others. Do you want him simply to be able to spurt out the
opinions of others? what kind of Christian are you man?

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I have proven with reference to the original Greek text that Christ is not God Almighty,
you may make references to those. Your theological attempts to establish otherwise
and your blatant ignoring of Pauls words prove one thing, you dont know what you are
talking about, but hey, we knew that from previous correspondence.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Ummm i was mocking you, but hey., i wouldn't put it past you guys to claim that you
were actually Jesus, after all, RJH claims he has the truth, its one word away from
claiming he is the truth and the way and the life.

Ummm i was mocking you, but hey., i wouldn't put it past you guys to claim that you were actually Jesus, after all, RJH claims he has the truth, its one word away from claiming he is the truth and the way and the life.

If we have received Jesus, we are the mystical body of Jesus. Jesus has indeed been dispensed into all the people who have received Jesus.

The Apostle Paul was deeply impressed with this revelation when Christ captured him for the ministry:

"And he [Saul] fell on the ground and heard a voice saying to him, Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?

And he said, Who are You, Lord? And He [said], I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting." (Acts 9:4,5)

It is interesting that Jesus did not say -
"Why are you persecuting My people?" or
"Why are you persecuting My church?" or
"Why are you persecuting My believers" etc.

Although those questions are valid, the Lord Jesus said "Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?"

I think Paul never forgot the impact of this revelation for the rest of his life. This revelation established the firm foundation of his apostleship. Christ had been distributed into all of these people on the earth. And now they were the Body of Jesus Christ. The church is Christ imparted into man. And the church is God imparted into man.

Do you realize that you, like Saul of Tarsus, are also opposing the Lord Jesus Christ ? You too should turn from your persecuting both Christ as God become a man, and His Body as God imparted into millions of men and women.

Originally posted by jaywill

Ummm i was mocking you, but hey., i wouldn't put it past you guys to claim that you were actually Jesus, after all, RJH claims he has the truth, its one word away from claiming he is the truth and the way and the life.

If we have received Jesus, we are the mystical body of Jesus. Jesus has indeed been dispensed into all the people who ist as God become a man, and His Body as God imparted into millions of men and women.

you are the mystical body of Jesus, muhaha, brilliant, that gave me a laugh. So lets get
this, Gods word talks about taking in accurate knowledge of Jesus and God , which
leads to everlasting life (John 17:3), and you have gone all mystical on us? Are you
all sparkly and shining, covered in fairy dust and live in a mystical cave, beside a
mystical river with golden fish and a bear that was once a prince but got changed by
an evil hobgoblin and can only be cured by the love of a princess. oh man, you
trinitarians make me laugh.

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and i refer you to mine. But ill tell you what ill do for you, seeing that you were
either unwilling or incapable, i will go, to an interlinear Hebrew Bible and look up
Isaiah for you,

the term 'mighty God', from the Hebrew,

Hebrew, El Gibbohr, meaning - mighty divine one

Now this is of interest to us, why? because the Hebrew term for the Almighty is not
El Gibbhor (Isaiah 9:6), as you have erroneously tried to assume based on your
preconceived notion of what Christ is, but is El Shaddai, a term used for no one but
the Almighty himself. Thus we can see from a purely linguistic basis how little
sense your assertion makes, for it cannot be found to have been supported from
the original language text.

Secondly it was pointed out to you earlier, although once again your bias refused to
let you see the matter clearly, that Christ is termed the only saviour because he
was the only one who could provide a perfect sacrifice to cover (propitiate) what
was lost by Adam.

Thus these two points that you have raised have been adequately addressed, the
first on a purely linguistic basis (which you cannot dispute) and the second on a
theological basis, which again, you cannot dispute. Like all those who profess that
Christ is God, you would actually do much better if you went back to the original
language texts and let them speak for themselves rather than coming to the texts
with a preconceived idea as to what the nature of Christ is and trying to find
substantiation for your assumptions from scripture. You will lose every time, for all
one needs to demonstrate is that the premise is not supported by scripture and the
wheels start to fall from your wagon, immediately. The word of God is alive and
exerts power Paul writes, and rightly so, for it can discern the intent readily. Study
your Bible, dont just read it, study it.

Originally posted by menace71
Well RJ I believe in Jesus Christ and I know he died for my sins so who cares how WHYH was pronounced ? God is almighty and He knows it and I can know it in English as well as any language. Experts do not know for sure how the Tetragrammaton was/is pronounced. The pious Jews would not pronounce it anyway for it is/was the name of God.



Manny

PS: you going to tell me to get my head out of my ass? Very Christian of you 🙂

I have said that to a few people when they needed to hear it, however, I don't
recall telling you that. But if I did, it was because you said something that
made me think you were not thinking. It was a wake up call. A very Christian
thing to do.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you are the mystical body of Jesus, muhaha, brilliant, that gave me a laugh. So lets get
this, Gods word talks about taking in accurate knowledge of Jesus and God , which
leads to everlasting life (John 17:3), and you have gone all mystical on us? Are you
all sparkly and shining, covered in fairy dust and live in a mystical cave, beside a
my ...[text shortened]... blin and can only be cured by the love of a princess. oh man, you
trinitarians make me laugh.

you are the mystical body of Jesus, muhaha, brilliant, that gave me a laugh. So lets get this, Gods word talks about taking in accurate knowledge of Jesus and God , which leads to everlasting life (John 17:3), and you have gone all mystical on us? Are you all sparkly and shining, covered in fairy dust and live in a mystical cave, beside a mystical river with golden fish and a bear that was once a prince but got changed by an evil hobgoblin and can only be cured by the love of a princess. oh man, you trinitarians make me laugh.

After you finish rolling along the floor having a good giggle, go learn what a verse like this means:

"But a soulish man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are FOOLISHNESS to him and he is not able to know them because they are discerned spiritually." (1 Cor. 2:14)

This is in the very same epistle where Paul admonishes the church in Corinth concerning their wanting to be divisive :

" Is Christ divided ?" (1 Cor. 1:13)

Now wipe the silly grin off of your Watchtower face and learn something, if you can.

First Corinthians is much about the church being the Body of Christ. Christ has been dispensed into each of the members of the corporate entity. The church is not an worldly organization but a living organism. And Paul calls the church "the Christ" because it is His mystical Body.

"For even as the body is one and has many members, yet all the members of the body, being many, are one body, so also is the Christ." (1 Cor. 12)

"So also is ... THE CHRIST"

You see, since Jesus Christ has come to live in each of the Christians, they are firmly attached in a organic way of spiritual life, with Christ:

"But the One who firmly attaches us with you unto Christ and has anointed us is God, He who has also sealed us and given the Spirit in our hearts as a pledge." (2 Cor. 1:21,22)

If you had the Holy Spirit living in you as the living "pledge" I don't think you would so easily laugh at my pointing out that the Christians are the Body of Christ.

Withhold your giggle just long enough to read this:

"Now you are the Body of Christ, and members individually" (1 Cor. 12:27)

Ie. You, brothers and sisters in the local church in Corinth, are the Body of Christ and individually members of the Body. The life of Christ is in all the members of the Body of Christ "the Christ", Who is not divided.

Maybe you cannot discern these spiritual things and they seem as "foolishness" to you. Maybe your human spirit has yet to be regenerated and the pledge of the Holy Spirit imparted into your innermost being.

We really have to study the Bible to know not only who God is but what His purpose is - to come and live within us.

Originally posted by jaywill
[quote]

you are the mystical body of Jesus, muhaha, brilliant, that gave me a laugh. So lets get this, Gods word talks about taking in accurate knowledge of Jesus and God , which leads to everlasting life (John 17:3), and you have gone all mystical on us? Are you all sparkly and shining, covered in fairy dust and live in a mystical cave, beside a my ...[text shortened]... w not only who God is but what His purpose is - to come and live within us.

if this is the case, then why are you all so divided? we are not divided, we have unity
of worship, the Gman and i profess the same things, we have the same beliefs, but
you people dont. Unity is a prerequisite of true worship. Look how RJH propagates
different ideas from manny, divesgeester different ideas from you, what kind of unity
is that? No way you people are Christ's body, no chance, the Christ does not stand
divided.

Originally posted by menace71
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_God_in_Judaism




Manny

Sing to God, sing praises to His name;
Extol Him who rides on the clouds,
By His name YAH, And rejoice before Him.

God's name is "YAH" and pronounced like in hallelu YAH (Hallelujah).

(Psalms 68:4 New King's James Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalms%2068:4&version=NKJV;KJV

http://biblelexicon.org/psalms/68-4.htm

I will greatly praise the LORD with my mouth;
Yes, I will praise Him among the multitude.

(Psalms 109:30 New King's James Version)
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalms%20109:30&version=NKJV;KJV

We often hear "Hallelu Yah" which is a praise to the LORD.
Notice instead of "YAH" that "LORD" is substituted for the name of God here.

http://biblelexicon.org/psalms/109-30.htm