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(1 Corinthians 8:5-6) . . .For even though there are those who are called “gods,”
whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there
is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him;
and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we
through him.
you will of course notice how Paul distinguishes the two, someone you are incapable of
doing because of your dogmatic approach. Yet he acknowledges that there are
many Gods, well well, how can that be? Lets see if your dogma can suck it up and
make sense of it, but i wont hold my breath.
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-Removed-I have provided nothing that was not in the text, while you must continue to ignore it
because clearly your dogma is not supported by it. Once again, i am uninterested in
your theological bias except to expose it ludicrous nature, i am interested in what the
text actually states.
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-Removed-the child is called mighty God, not almighty God, you do know the difference after all it
was pointed out to you from the Hebrew text, oh but wait, you need to ignore it
because the text contradicts your dogma, but hey we knew that already, but thanks for
demonstrating it.
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Originally posted by RJHindsyou pointed out nothing of the sort, Jesus is not even mentioned in the text at
Like I pointed out in Revelation, He made that claim Himself. And also
that He was the first and the last, the beginning and the end, and the
Alpha and the Omega, and was dead and is alive forever more.
P.S. He also said He was coming to give some of us a reward.
revelation and before you try to impose your exegesis onto scripture to support your
dogmatic approach, i will remind you that i am uninterested in your theological bias
except to expose its ludicrous nature, but in what is actually written in the text.
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-Removed-this question has already been addressed in the text, i will not do so for a fourth
time, if you choose to ignore it, then that's your affair, not mine, i will waste no
more of my time simply because your dogma cannot help you comprehend the
details.
the term 'mighty God', from the Hebrew,
Hebrew, El Gibbohr, meaning - mighty divine one
Now this is of interest to us, why? because the Hebrew term for the Almighty is not
El Gibbhor (Isaiah 9:6), as you have erroneously tried to assume based on your
preconceived notion of what Christ is, but is El Shaddai, a term used for no one but
the Almighty himself. Thus we can see from a purely linguistic basis how little
sense your assertion makes, for it cannot be found to have been supported from
the original language text.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the child is called mighty God, not almighty God, you do know the difference after all it
was pointed out to you from the Hebrew text, oh but wait, you need to ignore it
because the text contradicts your dogma, but hey we knew that already, but thanks for
demonstrating it.
the child is called mighty God, not almighty God, you do know the difference after all it was pointed out to you from the Hebrew text, oh but wait, you need to ignore it because the text contradicts your dogma, but hey we knew that already, but thanks for demonstrating it.
The child is called Mighty God because the child is Jehovah incarnate.
The Mighty God is Jehovah -
"Then in that day the remnant of Israel ... will rely upon Jehovah, the Holy One of Israel, in truth. A remnant will return, the remnant of Jacob to the mighty God." (Isaiah 10:20,21)
" ... the great, the mighty God, Jehovah of hosts is his name ..." (Jeremiah 32:18b 1901 ASV)
" ... O great and mighty God, whose name is Jehovah of hosts..." (Jer. 32:18b RcV)
"The Mighty One, God Jehovah, Speaks and summons the earth ..." (Psalm 50:1)
Jehovah is the Almighty God and the Mighty God.
There are two lines in the prophecy of Isaiah 9:6. One is the born child who is called Mighty God. The other is the given son who is called Eternal Father. There should be no mistaking that Jehovah God is both the Mighty God and the Eternal Father.
Besides the Eternal Father Jehovah there is no other divine and eternal Father in the entire Bible. Scripture could not be speaking of any other Eternal Father except Jehovah.
"For You are our Father, Since Abraham does not know us, And Israel does not acknowledge us. You, Jehovah, are our Father; Our Redeemer from of old is Your name." (Isaiah 63:16 RcV )
"But now Jehovah, You are our Father; We are the clay; and You, our Father ..." (Isaiah 64:8)
"A son honors [his] father, and a servant his lord. Therefore if I am a Father, where is My honor ? And if I am the Lord, where is My fear? says Jehovah of hosts to you, O priests who despise My name.
But you say, How have we despised Your name?" (Malachi 1:7)
There is ONE Father -
"One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all" (Eph. 4:6)
And Christ said that He and His Father would come to be "in all" of the members of the household of faith, the new testament church -
"If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and henceforth you know Him and have seen Him." (John 14:7)
"Jesus answered and said to him, If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word, and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him." (John 14:23)
And the ancient brothers who observed this mysterious relationship are justified in coining some word, even "Trinity" or "Triune God" to convey the revelation, even if the word itself is not biblical. The FACT of the three - one nature of God seen in the Bible.
Originally posted by jaywillThey are too dishonest to admit they are wrong and prefer to get amnesia.the child is called mighty God, not almighty God, you do know the difference after all it was pointed out to you from the Hebrew text, oh but wait, you need to ignore it because the text contradicts your dogma, but hey we knew that already, but thanks for demonstrating it.
The child is called Mighty God because the child is Jehovah ...[text shortened]... biblical. The FACT of the three - one nature of God seen in the Bible.
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Originally posted by jaywillThe child is called Mighty God because the child is Jehovah incarnate. ????the child is called mighty God, not almighty God, you do know the difference after all it was pointed out to you from the Hebrew text, oh but wait, you need to ignore it because the text contradicts your dogma, but hey we knew that already, but thanks for demonstrating it.
The child is called Mighty God because the child is Jehovah biblical. The FACT of the three - one nature of God seen in the Bible.
theological dogma and a demonstration of a bias which runs contrary to the Hebrew
text.
Once again i am uninterested in your dogma, i am interested in what the text actually
states, you think by now you noobs would know the difference.
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Originally posted by RJHindsonce again we are interested in what the text acutely states, your opinions are
They are too dishonest to admit they are wrong and prefer to get amnesia.
irrelevant to anyone but you and are probably best kept to themselves. Who knows
after a time , like a wine, they may actually mature, or not.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIF only the Father is God, then we must admit that indeed the Son of God
here suck this up
(1 Corinthians 8:5-6) . . .For even though there are those who are called “gods,”
whether in heaven or on earth, just as there are many “gods” and many “lords,” there
is actually to us [b]one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him;
and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things ...[text shortened]... at be? Lets see if your dogma can suck it up and
make sense of it, but i wont hold my breath.[/b]
was the manifestation of the Father in the flesh; as it says in Isaiah 9:6.
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Paul also wrote the following to Titus:
For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live
soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,looking for the blessed
hope and glorious appearing of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST,
who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every lawless deed
and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.
(Titus 2:11-14 NKJV)
Notice Paul says, "OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST" meaning
Jesus Christ is both the Great God and our Savior.
http://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/holland_tit2_13.html
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Originally posted by RJHindsthe Son of God was the manifestation of the Father ????
IF only the Father is God, then we must admit that indeed the Son of God
was the manifestation of the Father in the flesh; as it says in Isaiah 9:6.
For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
hrist is both the Great God and our Savior.
http://av1611.com/kjbp/faq/holland_tit2_13.html
religious dogma not supported by the text. Once again I am interested in what the text
actually states, not your religious dogma. All dogma shall hence forth be ignored by
me, unless it makes reference to the original language texts, otherwise I am uninterested.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat do you say the text of Isaiah 9:6 actually says then?
the Son of God was the manifestation of the Father ????
religious dogma not supported by the text. Once again I am interested in what the text
actually states, not your religious dogma. All dogma shall hence forth be ignored by
me, unless it makes reference to the original language texts, otherwise I am uninterested.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The child is called Mighty God because the child is Jehovah incarnate. ????
theological dogma and a demonstration of a bias which runs contrary to the Hebrew
text.
Once again i am uninterested in your dogma, i am interested in what the text actually
states, you think by now you noobs would know the difference.
The child is called Mighty God because the child is Jehovah incarnate. ????
You call yourself a Bible student and you don't know that ???? + ?
The prophesy is about the most momentous event in the history of the universe. God beomes a little child and is in the womb of a woman for 9 months, Then He is born to be the Godman Jesus Christ our Lord and Savior.
theological dogma and a demonstration of a bias which runs contrary to the Hebrew
text.
What is not evidenced is not my bias. What is evidenced is the ancient rebellion against God which the scribes, Pharisees, Saducees, and chief priests showed in their rejection of the Son of God. The JWs are in the very same rebellion.
You've only had a little more time to make the excuse that God sent an angel Michael rather than become incarnate.
Once again i am uninterested in your dogma, i am interested in what the text actually states, you think by now you noobs would know the difference.
Ask me how much I care if you're interested in Isaiah 9:6. I speak up here for the truth. I am not interested in your rebellion against Jehovah and the economy of God.
I write this post for the sake of the truth.
Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the Son of God was the manifestation of the Father ????
religious dogma not supported by the text. Once again I am interested in what the text
actually states, not your religious dogma. All dogma shall hence forth be ignored by
me, unless it makes reference to the original language texts, otherwise I am uninterested.
religious dogma not supported by the text. Once again I am interested in what the text actually states, not your religious dogma. All dogma shall hence forth be ignored by me, unless it makes reference to the original language texts, otherwise I am uninterested.
I am not impressed at your rational for rejecting Isaiah's prophecy.
The Gospel of John tells us that Isaiah saw Christ's glory John 12:41. Isaiah saw Christ's glory when He saw Jehovah in Isa. chapter 6.
"Yet my eyes have seen Jehovah the King." (Isa. 6:6)
If you're getting dogma it is correct dogma.
Originally posted by jaywilldogma and mere opinion masquerading as some kind of truth
The child is called Mighty God because the child is Jehovah incarnate. ????
You call yourself a Bible student and you don't know that ???? + ?
The prophesy is about the most momentous event in the history of the universe. God beomes a little child and is in the womb of a woman for 9 months, Then He is born to be th ...[text shortened]... on against Jehovah and the economy of God.
I write this post for the sake of the truth.