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-Removed-the child is called mighty God, not the Almighty God as an evaluation of the base text
reveals. Why are you wanting to cut out portions of scripture because they dont
comply with your preconceived notions of the nature of Christ and your dogmatic
approach. There are also many other things in scripture termed a God, does that also
mean that they are the almighty, no, well spare me your flawed reasoning i have
heard it a million times before , from the same people spouting from the same
preconceptions. If the text does not support your dogma then i am uninterested in
your theological debates, I am interested in what the text actually states, not your dogma.
Again i will repeat it as you seem to be having some trouble with it, I am interested
in what the text actually states, not your dogma.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHe is called mighty God, not a mighty God. So it is a strawman argument
the child is called mighty God, not the Almighty God as an evaluation of the base text
reveals. Why are you wanting to cut out portions of scripture now because they dont
comply with your preconceived notions of the nature of Christ and your dogmatic
approach. There are also many other things in scripture termed a God, does that also
mean t ...[text shortened]... having some trouble with it, I am interested
in what the text actually states, not your dogma.
to say He was not God because it says mighty in one place and almighty
in another. He is still called God, so it does not matter what the adjective
happens to be.
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Originally posted by RJHindsok, excuse me, he is called mighty God, not Almighty God. Once again i am interested
He is called mighty God, not a mighty God. So it is a strawman argument
to say He was not God because it says mighty in one place and almighty
in another. He is still called God, so it does not matter what the adjective
happens to be.
in what the text actually states not your dogma nor your opinions of what matter and
do not matter.
Originally posted by RJHindsthe matter was settled with you people before you even look at the original Hebrew and
Well, I agree the text says mighty God. So isn't the matter settled then?
Greek text. Why, because instead of letting the scriptures speak for themselves, you
attempt to subject scripture to your bias. Isaiah speaks of Christ in a prophetic sense
as being a mighty god, we know from our studies elsewhere that this is also the case.
So yes, the matter is settled. Pity he didn't term him almighty God, your wagon
wheels still might be on the wagon instead of strewn across the forum floor.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieLike I pointed out in Revelation, He made that claim Himself. And also
the matter was settled with you people before you even look at the original Hebrew and
Greek text. Why, because instead of letting the scriptures speak for themselves, you
attempt to subject scripture to your bias. Isaiah speaks of Christ in a prophetic sense
as being a mighty god, we know from our studies elsewhere that this is also the case God, your wagon
wheels still might be on the wagon instead of strewn across the forum floor.
that He was the first and the last, the beginning and the end, and the
Alpha and the Omega, and was dead and is alive forever more.
P.S. He also said He was coming to give some of us a reward.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
if this is the case, then why are you all so divided? we are not divided, we have unity
of worship, the Gman and i profess the same things, we have the same beliefs, but
you people dont. Unity is a prerequisite of true worship. Look how RJH propagates
different ideas from manny, divesgeester different ideas from you, what kind of unity
is that? No way you people are Christ's body, no chance, the Christ does not stand
divided.
if this is the case, then why are you all so divided?
The church in Corinth suffered from divisions. Christians today also suffer from divisions. However, that does not make the truth of Christ dispensed into His members NOT a fact. Paul did not negate the truth because Corinth suffered some immature and divisive believers.
Herein is one of your major problems. You point to deficiencies in the Christian testimony and think they justify you to contradict the truth of God's word.
In every age, though there has been degradation, there has also been those who overcome and rise to the standard of normality. So Paul wrote in the same epistle -
" ... I hear that divisions exist among you; and some part of it I believe. For there must be parties among you, that those who are approved may become manifest among you." (1 Cor. 11:19)
There are multitudes of places where the proper oneness is manifested. And even in the Corinthian church some were approved as participating in the normal unity.
The condition of a local church does not change the truth of God. And the condition of the church does not give Watchtower license to introduce false teachings and laugh at the truth of God.
we are not divided, we have unity of worship, the Gman and i profess the same things, we have the same beliefs, but you people dont. Unity is a prerequisite of true worship.
I have heard of this boast before. It doesn't impress me because the legion of demons who infested the man in Mathew 8:28-34 were also quite united. But there unity was around Satan's deception and not God's truth.
Yes, the existence of denominations is a scandel. But there are also those who overcome and are manifested as approved in being in the proper oneness. In each of the seven letters in Revelation 2 and 3 there were problems. Yet in each there was a call for some to overcome and rise to a level of normality (Rev.1:7, 11,17,26,3:5,12,21)
If you gloat and think you can condemn the Christian church for its failures you will only be like the prophet Balaam. Balak hired Balaam to pronounce judging curses upon Israel. Everytime he attempted to do so God caused him to bless Israel instead.
Balak urged Balaam to look at the nation from another angle, then another, then another. From every angle the greedy prophet was not able to utter a curse against God's elect. God said He has not beheld iniquity in Jacob !
You see, God's way to point out the errors of His people is not your way. He sees them through the eyes of His redeeming love. Your glee at exploiting scandels is not pure and God will not see things through your eyes.
The greedy hired prophet utters in disappointment -
"Now I have received a word to bless; Since He has blessed, then I cannot reverse it. He has not beheld iniquity in Jacob Nor has He seen trouble in Israel; Jehovah their God is with them , Surely there is no enchantment against Jacob, Nor is there any divination against Israel." (Numbers 23:20-23)
You cannot exploit the failures of the Christian church to level your curses against her. Christ has redeemed her. And there are the overcomers who have risen above the surrounding degradation in every age.
Look how RJH propagates different ideas from manny, divesgeester different ideas from you, what kind of unity is that? No way you people are Christ's body, no chance, the Christ does not stand divided.
Minor points they are. I have seen no matters arising from these two Christian brothers that merits any serious division. The church of Christ is glorious and we are part of her, members of the Body of Christ.
And the Lord said we are in the process of being perfected into oneness. So the process is ongoing:
"I in them, and You in Me, that they may be PERFECTED into one, that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them even as You have loved Me." (John 17:23)
We have the oneness of reality. And we are in the ongoing process of being "perfected" into the oneness of practicality.
Your unity is around an antichrist error and the teaching of "another Jesus" .
Originally posted by jaywillWell we're certianly not early Christians who were in the infancy of learning what Jesus was teaching. The apostles were still confused about many things and in reality knew a small protion of what the Bible was going to hold.if this is the case, then why are you all so divided?
The church in Corinth suffered from divisions. Christians today also suffer from divisions. However, that does not make the truth of Christ dispensed into His members NOT a fact. Paul did not negate the truth because Corinth suffered some immature and divisive believers.
He ...[text shortened]... nity is around an antichrist error and the teaching of [b]"another Jesus" .[/b]
And we're certianly not demons. So your reasoning and trying to ignor the facts about the Witnesses compared to all other religions that call themselves Christians is a weak argument against the unity we have and the importance that fact holds.
Can you go to Russia or to Japan or South Africa or to Tonga and go into one of your churches and sit and hear exactly the same beliefs you have or hear the same discources from the stage? Can you go to one of the hundreds of assemblies that your church ( doesn't )hold for all it's members, not just the clergy, and hear the same identical talks or recieve the same identical books or magazines?
Do you go door to door ( you don't ) as our 8 million members do and be presenting the same offered Bible subject that we all do exactly alike for that month?
I can go on and on about how we ALL believe alike, teach alike, study alike and most importantly believe alike earthwide every day-every week-every year. But unless one honestly looks at that scripture where Jesus stated that fact about his followers and their unity....this will probably mean nothing to you.
PS...One other point along these lines is the LOVE we would have for each other. According to RJ here, his country comes first and if his country tells him to go to another country to kill, no matter what, he would no doubt be willing to kill someone of his own religion in order to follow his orders from his country.
Not the true love Jesus spoke of.
Originally posted by galveston75You are still confuse about many things too. More confused than any
Well we're certianly not early Christians who were in the infancy of learning what Jesus was teaching. The apostles were still confused about many things and in reality knew a small protion of what the Bible was going to hold.
And we're certianly not demons. So your reasoning and trying to ignor the facts about the Witnesses compared to all other relig ...[text shortened]... eligion in order to follow his orders from his country.
Not the true love Jesus spoke of.
of the Christians. Your teachings are alike just like many other church
denominations teachings are alike, however, these different church
denominations all agree that Jesus is not Michael the Archangel as
your Watchtower Society teaches you. Even though many of us believe
some of the teachings of the other denominations are in error, even
the Roman Catholic Church has said they consider the Protestants as
brothers in the faith. There is unity in their belief that Yahshua (Jesus)
is both God and man. Your Watchtower teaches an antiChrist doctrine
and deny the bodily resurrection and Deity of Christ.
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Originally posted by RJHindsBut you and they would still kill each other and you know it...
You are still confuse about many things too. More confused than any
of the Christians. Your teachings are alike just like many other church
denominations teachings are alike, however, these different church
denominations all agree that Jesus is not Michael the Archangel as
your Watchtower Society teaches you. Even though many of us believe
some of th ...[text shortened]... Watchtower teaches an antiChrist doctrine
and deny the bodily resurrection and Deity of Christ.
And your church or no other churches can even come close to the facts that I mentioned above.
