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  1. Subscriber BigDoggProblem
    The Advanced Mind
    27 May '18 20:04
    The outcome of 1 Chron. 21 has always seemed overly harsh to me. God killed 70,000 innocent people because ... wait for it ... their leader arrogantly wished to know how many fighting men he had!

    Does this outcome seem utterly ridiculous to anyone else?
  2. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    27 May '18 20:11
    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    The outcome of 1 Chron. 21 has always seemed overly harsh to me. God killed 70,000 innocent people because ... wait for it ... their leader arrogantly wished to know how many fighting men he had!

    Does this outcome seem utterly ridiculous to anyone else?
    I see Flaming Cheeks of Embarrassment has climbed back on his horse.

    Good for you!

    Nice!
  3. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    27 May '18 20:18
    Originally posted by @bigdoggproblem
    The outcome of 1 Chron. 21 has always seemed overly harsh to me. God killed 70,000 innocent people because ... wait for it ... their leader arrogantly wished to know how many fighting men he had!

    Does this outcome seem utterly ridiculous to anyone else?
    Disobedience to the word of God and to His commandments. its a grave matter which Christians have sidelined. They do not pay it any mind and they will likewise pay.

    David was told not to number Israel but he persisted. From the very beginning God stated pretty clearly. . obey me and we are friends. Disobey me and you will feel my wrath.

    Yes it is harsh but those are the rules.
  4. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    27 May '18 20:23
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Disobedience to the word of God and to His commandments. its a grave matter which Christians have sidelined. They do not pay it any mind and they will likewise pay.

    David was told not to number Israel but he persisted. From the very beginning God stated pretty clearly. . obey me and we are friends. Disobey me and you will feel my wrath.

    Yes it is harsh but those are the rules.
    Have you heard of the New Testament? It comes right after the Old Testament.
  5. Standard member Ghost of a Duke
    Zen Master
    28 May '18 15:18
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Disobedience to the word of God and to His commandments. its a grave matter which Christians have sidelined. They do not pay it any mind and they will likewise pay.

    David was told not to number Israel but he persisted. From the very beginning God stated pretty clearly. . obey me and we are friends. Disobey me and you will feel my wrath.

    Yes it is harsh but those are the rules.
    Why are God's rules harsh? And how do you equate this harshness with his alleged omnibenevolence?
  6. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    28 May '18 15:30
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Why are God's rules harsh? And how do you equate this harshness with his alleged omnibenevolence?
    I cannot answer the 'why'. Omnibenevolence is not in the Bible.
    God is love is an expression that needs to be placed in the right context.

    God has love and compassion for those who he considers his own.
    Gods people live within the guidance of his commandments.
    These are the ones who will experience his compassion

    Those who live contrary to Gods commandments, God hates those.
  7. Standard member apathist
    looking for loot
    28 May '18 17:56 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    ...
    God has love and compassion for those who he considers his own. ...
    That would be the jews. Obviously the love and compassion parts must happen later.
  8. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    28 May '18 18:42
    Originally posted by @apathist
    That would be the jews. Obviously the love and compassion parts must happen later.
    The Jews plus all those who are grafted on to that tree .. Gentiles who follow Christ
  9. Subscriber Tom Wolsey
    Aficionado of Prawns
    28 May '18 18:46
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    I cannot answer the 'why'. Omnibenevolence is not in the Bible.
    Most believers shy away from admitting this truth. I've had fellow believers rebuke me for making this statement. It's not something I say proudly but it is the truth according to Scripture.
  10. Standard member Ghost of a Duke
    Zen Master
    28 May '18 18:49
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    Most believers shy away from admitting this truth. I've had fellow believers rebuke me for making this statement. It's not something I say proudly but it is the truth according to Scripture.
    Okay, so we can cross out omnibenevolence. What about omnipotence?
  11. Subscriber Tom Wolsey
    Aficionado of Prawns
    28 May '18 18:51
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Okay, so we can cross out omnibenevolence. What about omnipotence?
    Nope. Can't cross that one out.
  12. Standard member Ghost of a Duke
    Zen Master
    28 May '18 19:05
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    Nope. Can't cross that one out.
    Omnipotence Paradox:

    "Could God create a stone so heavy that even He could not lift it?"
  13. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    28 May '18 19:18
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    Most believers shy away from admitting this truth. I've had fellow believers rebuke me for making this statement. It's not something I say proudly but it is the truth according to Scripture.
    If it is the truth why not say it proudly.
    Are you a men pleaser?
    Not a good thing.
  14. Standard member Rajk999
    Enjoying
    28 May '18 19:19
    Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
    Nope. Can't cross that one out.
    Why? I would cross that one out as well.
    See the paradox posted by GoaD
  15. Standard member Romans1009
    Cretinous Mutterings
    28 May '18 20:30
    Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
    Omnipotence Paradox:

    "Could God create a stone so heavy that even He could not lift it?"
    I see you’ve been surfing atheist websites again. Does this false paradox come from the same website as the “talking snake” in Genesis? Please find a better one.