Taking Quality Questions on Revelation

Originally posted by @fmf
If you have a unique and original insight or piece of knowledge to share about two places in the book of Revelation where John is so overcome by what he sees that he falls before an angel to worship the angel and where he is rebuked to not do that but reserve his worship for God, why not just do so rather than treating your revealing of it in such a vain and self-regarding way?

Originally posted by @romans1009
The new heaven and new earth?

Or was that mentioned in Isaiah?

Originally posted by @sonship
Yes, the new heaven and new earth are mentioned in Isaiah.

I see my question is not clearly asked.
What I meant was - Is there anything of a vision or theme in [b]Revelation which does not have any parallel anywhere ELSE in the BIble?

Okay, I ask because I can think of almost nothing in the book of Revelation that is not a re-cap, re- capitulati ...[text shortened]... hen you have this kind of key, the book really opens up.

That's been my limited experience.[/b]

Originally posted by @sonship
I'd be happy to know someone just has noticed the two places.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Oh please tell us sonship, please!
You know how we love your your wondrous wisdom and I don’t care if you read it in someone’s book.
Please tell us, I can’t stand the agony of not knowing.

Alert: No enthusiasm should be shown about spiritual matters, spiritual writings on the Spirituality Forum.

Dispassionate, near apathetic, calm and cool detached disinterest must be shown at all times - like " I REALLY don't need to be here liking the discussion matter."

Originally posted by @sonship
I have freedom of thinking. And with that freedom, on some matters, I arrive at different opinions from you.

Originally posted by @romans1009
That’s interesting.

As difficult and seemingly strange as Revelation is, it’s interesting that it confirms what precedes it instead of charting new ground.

Originally posted by @sonship
We could have some good fellowship. FMF and Divegeester have done their usual job to come in to poison the atmosphere.

Originally posted by @divegeester
[b]“The lost will be hung in chains of punishment as a warning to those on other worlds”

“the lost will glorify him (Jesus) in their endless woe”

Perhaps you were “freethinking” when you copy/pasted these putrid vomitous titbits from someone else’s book, in your defence of “freethinking” that Jesus would be personally overseeing the eternal t ...[text shortened]... et into a corporate religious mind-lock of sometimes truly revolting doctrinal error and vanity.[/b]

Originally posted by @divegeester
[b]“The lost will be hung in chains of punishment as a warning to those on other worlds”

“the lost will glorify him (Jesus) in their endless woe”

Perhaps you were “freethinking” when you copy/pasted these putrid vomitous titbits from someone else’s book, in your defence of “freethinking” that Jesus would be personally overseeing the eternal t ...[text shortened]... et into a corporate religious mind-lock of sometimes truly revolting doctrinal error and vanity.[/b]

Originally posted by @sonship to divegeester
It could be that you're just whining because everyone is not as isolated, distrustful, and individualistically detached from the Body of Christ as yourself.

Originally posted by @sonship
It could be that you're just whining because everyone is not as isolated, distrustful, and individualistically detached from the Body of Christ as yourself.

Originally posted by @fmf
I asked you what the two things you were withholding were and you acted like your feathers had been ruffled. A few moments later someone else asked you what the two things you were withholding were and you congratulated them for asking and told them.

Romans1009,

I considered John's reaction of worship in chapters 19 and 22. I think in both instances the victory of the saints over all the opposing forces overwhelmed him. To see the future that first a bridal army clothed in the righteous deeds of the saints accompanying Christ at Armegeddon astounded him.

In spite of all the opposition of the enemy through the ages Christ secures for Himself a remnant of overcoming victors may have been an overwhelming prophetic vision. It caused him to collapse in grateful adoration.

The same occurs at seeing the final victory of all the saints after the end of the ages in the New Jerusalem. Such total vanquishing of all the forces against God's kingdom and Christ's church may have been astounding to the seerer.

Anyway this aspect of total victory of Christ WITH His saints is the coupling link I noticed between Rev. 19 and 22. It is the overcoming of the believers through the grace of Christ which must prevail - first with a remnant before the millennial kingdom and then with the totality of His saints at the commencement of the eternal age.

Romans1009, If you notice in chapter 19 the wedding garment of the bride is also the fighting armor of the army. This is incredible.
Notice:

"Let us rejoice and exalt, and let us give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.

And it was given to her that she should be clothed in fine linen, bright and clean, for the fine linen is the righteousnesses of the saints.
(Rev. 19:7,8)

"And the armies which are in heaven followed Him on white horses, dressed in fine linen, white and clean.

And out of His mouth proceeds a sharp sword, that with it He might smite the nations; and He will shepherd them with an iron rod; and He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God the Almighty." (Rev. 19:14,15)

New International Version
Fine linen, bright and clean, was given her to wear." (Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God's holy people. )

New Living Translation
She has been given the finest of pure white linen to wear." For the fine linen represents the good deeds of God's holy people.

English Standard Version
it was granted her to clothe herself with fine linen, bright and pure”— for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.

Berean Study Bible
She was given clothing of fine linen, linen bright and pure." For the fine linen she wears is the righteous acts of the saints.

Berean Literal Bible
And it was given to her that she should be clothed in bright, pure, fine linen." For the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

New American Standard Bible
It was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.

Contemporary English Version
She will be given a wedding dress made of pure and shining linen. This linen stands for the good things God's people have done."

Good News Translation
She has been given clean shining linen to wear." (The linen is the good deeds of God's people.)

Holman Christian Standard Bible
She was given fine linen to wear, bright and pure. For the fine linen represents the righteous acts of the saints.

International Standard Version
She has been given the privilege of wearing fine linen, dazzling and pure." (The fine linen represents the righteous deeds of the saints.