Originally posted by Rank outsidernone
How many planets are there in the universe?
Roughly what do you think the odds are that any one of these could be 'tilted on its axis to just the right degree' just through random chance? A billion to one? A hundred billion to one?
From the above answers, how many planets in the universe would be 'tilted on their axis to just the right degree' just through random chance?
Originally posted by Rank outsiderIt does not say that as Kelly already pointed out.
Genesis says the moon is a light.
It isn't.
But exactly what you would expect someone human living at that time to think.
Now we face the unedifying prospect of all those absolute Christian literalists coming to the Bible's defence to interpret it in anything but a literal way.
But exactly what you would expect someone human living at that time to think.
There were no humans yet either.
By the way, speaking of these humans who you say called the moon a light, as you say, know that life came through the navel?
Prov 3:8
8 It shall be health to thy navel, and marrow to thy bones.
KJV
How did they know that circumcision on the eighth day was the day a newborn would bleed the least?
A close examination of the Bible reveals startling proof of its inspiration. Sometimes that proof comes in the form of prophecy (always minutely foretold and completely fulfilled). Sometimes the proof comes in the form of scientific facts that were placed in the divine record hundreds or thousands of years before they were known to the modern scientific mind. This brief article deals with the latter—an important piece of scientific foreknowledge found with the biblical text that was completely unknown to man until fairly recently.
In Genesis 17:12, God specifically directed Abraham to circumcise newborn males on the eighth day. Why the eighth day? In 1935, professor H. Dam proposed the name “vitamin K” for the factor in foods that helped prevent hemorrhaging in baby chicks. We now know vitamin K is responsible for the production (by the liver) of the element known as prothrombin. If vitamin K is deficient, there will be a prothrombin deficiency and hemorrhaging may occur. Oddly, it is only on the fifth through the seventh days of the newborn male’s life that vitamin K (produced by bacteria in the intestinal tract) is present in adequate quantities. Vitamin K, coupled with prothrombin, causes blood coagulation, which is important in any surgical procedure. Holt and McIntosh, in their classic work, Holt Pediatrics, observed that a newborn infant has “peculiar susceptibility to bleeding between the second and fifth days of life.... Hemorrhages at this time, though often inconsequential, are sometimes extensive; they may produce serious damage to internal organs, especially to the brain, and cause death from shock and exsanguination” (1953, pp. 125-126). Obviously, then, if vitamin K is not produced in sufficient quantities until days five through seven, it would be wise to postpone any surgery until some time after that. But why did God specify day eight?
On the eighth day, the amount of prothrombin present actually is elevated above one-hundred percent of normal—and is the only day in the male’s life in which this will be the case under normal conditions. If surgery is to be performed, day eight is the perfect day to do it. Vitamin K and prothrombin levels are at their peak. The chart below, patterned after one published by S.I. McMillen, M.D., in his book, None of These Diseases, portrays this in graphic form.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=1118
Probably just coincidence huh?
Originally posted by Pianoman1This is the Spirituality Forum and not the Science Forum. Here we are not limited to only materialistic explanations. Some of those wandering desert tribesman were inspired spiritually with knowledge beyond what can be known by natural means. So suck it up or go to the Science Forum for your discussion.
Quoting from a work of fiction written by some wandering desert tribesman does not really add any weight to this scientific discussion! Be that as it may, I must take exception to the grandiose arrogance of some of your staggering assertions.
[b]" How dumb can people be? God's creation is all around us, you can look up and see the stars, the constellati ...[text shortened]... " You really have to be an arrogant idiot to ignore" nature's glory and the beauty of evolution.
The Instructor
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Originally posted by KellyJayThe moon is not a radiant light like the sun, but a reflective light. Doesn't God's word show how ignorant Rank outsider really is when he doesn't understand the different kinds of light? The following reference is for his instruction:
It says its a lesser light, that is not saying it produces light on its on, only
that we get light from it. At the time of the stars creation their purpose was
to shine on the earth. I believe God can do what He wants when He creates
He isn't limited, as some here believe He is.
Kelly
Genesis 1 NASB
14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expa ...[text shortened]... arkness; and God saw that it was good. 19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
http://physics.bu.edu/~duffy/py106/Reflection.html
http://www.universetoday.com/75891/why-does-the-moon-shine/
The Instructor
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Originally posted by KellyJayAs I said, it is not very edifying.
It says its a lesser light, that is not saying it produces light on its on, only
that we get light from it. At the time of the stars creation their purpose was
to shine on the earth. I believe God can do what He wants when He creates
He isn't limited, as some here believe He is.
Kelly
Genesis 1 NASB
14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expa ...[text shortened]... arkness; and God saw that it was good. 19 There was evening and there was morning, a fourth day.
You will take some things as literally true when it suits you, but when it says 'God made two lights' (when he only made one) you will turn language on its head to fit your purposes.
Originally posted by checkbaiterI meant, of course, what you would expect from the humans who wrote the Bible.
It does not say that as Kelly already pointed out.But exactly what you would expect someone human living at that time to think.
There were no humans yet either.
By the way, speaking of these humans who you say called the moon a light, as you say, know that life came through the navel?
[b]Prov 3:8
8 It shall be health to thy ...[text shortened]... w.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=1118
Probably just coincidence huh?
Then again, as you think there are no planets in the universe, as per the above response, this is perhaps not surprising.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterNo. Just human observation.
It does not say that as Kelly already pointed out.But exactly what you would expect someone human living at that time to think.
There were no humans yet either.
By the way, speaking of these humans who you say called the moon a light, as you say, know that life came through the navel?
[b]Prov 3:8
8 It shall be health to thy ...[text shortened]... w.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=1118
Probably just coincidence huh?
So perhaps you would like to explain why the process for identifying and treating 'leprosy' in the Bible would embarrass a first year medical student?
Was God having an off day? I mean, a complete and absolute understanding of all medical science, exceeding everything we know, and he comes up with that simplistic and inaccurate process?
Again, it sounds exactly the type of thing a human would come up with who lived at that time.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterHow did they know that circumcision on the eighth day was the day a newborn would bleed least?
It does not say that as Kelly already pointed out.But exactly what you would expect someone human living at that time to think.
There were no humans yet either.
By the way, speaking of these humans who you say called the moon a light, as you say, know that life came through the navel?
[b]Prov 3:8
8 It shall be health to thy ...[text shortened]... w.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=13&article=1118
Probably just coincidence huh?
Have you ever considered the possibility that they circumcised children initially on various different days and, over time, noticed that those who were circumcised on the eighth day happened to bleed the least?
Really, do you think this knowledge could only be gleaned through divine revelation? You don't need to understand the science to reach this conclusion.
Human beings have made far great discoveries through observation than this.
Originally posted by Rank outsiderIf you were not such a numbnuts, you would have realized he was answering your final question.
I meant, of course, what you would expect from the humans who wrote the Bible.
Then again, as you think there are no planets in the universe, as per the above response, this is perhaps not surprising.
The Instructor
Originally posted by KellyJaytwhitehead submitted a sufficient proof your hypothesis is incorrect
The creation story has God creating the stars and they are seen here, so
yes they were created for a purpose and the light in route was made at
the same time the stars were made. Read it as its written.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayscience has quite a few ideas on the how. you just refuse to understand them (or cannot). as to the why, it is explained by the how.
Win or lose will not depend on who wins an argument, the beginning does
one thing and one thing only, which is set the stage for what we see today.
Science does not have any idea NONE on the how and why, everything
began so it cannot tell us anything about where this place is heading. It
can look around and see what we all see today, but without knowled ...[text shortened]... ork of the place, well that pretty much
causes everyone who lives in their sins a loser.
Kelly