Teaching Creationism is a crime.

Originally posted by Pianoman1
To teach young children today that the world is less than 10,000 years old amounts to the most awful abuse. To warp young minds with the staggeringly ignorant dictum that faith is more important than evidence is more harmful than sexual abuse. To deny the youth of today access to scientific empiricism because it doesn't corroborate a fable written by a wan ...[text shortened]... love of knowledge. I believe the teaching of Creationism in schools to be a very serious crime.

I have changed this Psalm to describe people like you...

Ps 1:1
Cursed is the man
Who walks in the counsel of the ungodly,
stands in the path of sinners,
sits in the seat of the scornful;
NKJV

Walk...in the council of sinners
Stand..with sinners, actually takes a stand.
Sits..meaning he teaches the doctrines of the scornful.

Now this is where you can choose to be...

Ps 1

1 Blessed is the man
Who walks not in the counsel of the ungodly,
Nor stands in the path of sinners,
Nor sits in the seat of the scornful;
2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord,
And in His law he meditates day and night.
3 He shall be like a tree
Planted by the rivers of water,
That brings forth its fruit in its season,
Whose leaf also shall not wither;
And whatever he does shall prosper.

4 The ungodly are not so,
But are like the chaff which the wind drives away.
5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment,
Nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous.

6 For the Lord knows the way of the righteous,
But the way of the ungodly shall perish.
NKJV


I will pray for you young man...

Originally posted by KellyJay
Just so I know Creation has God speaking the universe into being, when the
stars were put into the sky they were seen as soon as he did it. So exactly
how can that be disproven? You know that God could not do that, how?

The best I can see that you have is another way it could have happen,
except you don't have another way it could have happen. You have said
that you don't know how or why it happen.
Kelly

I agree. The physical universe was dark until God spoke light into existence on the first creation day. It does not make sense that God would make stars and place them in the heavens so far away that they could not be seen on earth for billions of years. God stretching out the heavens must somehow explain this. Maybe one day man will gain enough knowledge to understand how.

The Instructor

Originally posted by sonhouse
Just because they believe the Earth to be 6000 years old is not the problem. The REAL problem is when MILLIONS of such people start forcing their crap on the educational system because almost half the US thinks like that. THAT is the problem.

The US educational system is in bad enough shape as it is, we don't need to add creationism in science classes t ...[text shortened]... even further, we could end up being around the neighborhood of Yemen in educational development.

Well, some of the millions are trying to force creationism back in to the curriculum. It's a few people with the time and money and passion to fight those kinds of legal battles.

But they aren't winning. They can't. They have no theory to offer in place of evolution. (They'll say ID is, but I don't buy it.)

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Well, some of the millions are trying to force creationism back in to the curriculum. It's a few people with the time and money and passion to fight those kinds of legal battles.

But they aren't winning. They can't. They have no theory to offer in place of evolution. (They'll say ID is, but I don't buy it.)

You don't have to buy it, because it is being given as a free gift.

The Instructor

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
we know that they are thousands, millions of light years away. we know that by doing science. we see supernovas from thousands of light years away, so the universe is at least that old.


by your reasoning, last thursdayism has just as much right to be valid.

If I understand Thursdayism, and I may not, that has the universe
made last Thursday and we were given false memories to help fool us
into to believing otherwise. That would not be the case in creation since
in the beginning man knew when and how it occured, nothing false
about the whole thing occured.

The issue you seem to want to inject is that when you look at the
universe around you, you believe it can only be X old by the way you
grasp the universe. Well, if your wrong, than your wrong and it does
not have anything to do with someone lying to you or tricking you as
much as you took it upon yourself to assume your wisdom could by
looking at it glean how old it is.

It maybe that God is required to start the universe, if so many will never
see it since they have built in blinders toward God. They will be forever
looking and learning, but never able coming to grasp the truth, because
they have closed minds, not being able to think outside of their little
boxes.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
It maybe that God is required to start the universe, if so many will never
see it since they have built in blinders toward God. They will be forever
looking and learning, but never able coming to grasp the truth, because
they have closed minds, not being able to think outside of their little
boxes.
Kelly

As I have said previously, science cannot yet answer the question WHY the universe started, and it may well be that it was a God who lit the initial touch paper. No one knows, which is why I can never be an atheist. Interesting as that question is, it will always be a matter of opinion until empirical answers are found. However, to spout Creationism is etc etc etc..

Originally posted by SwissGambit
Well, some of the millions are trying to force creationism back in to the curriculum. It's a few people with the time and money and passion to fight those kinds of legal battles.

But they aren't winning. They can't. They have no theory to offer in place of evolution. (They'll say ID is, but I don't buy it.)

They went past the ID thing. Now they are pursuing the legal path using the 'freedom of speech' card. They have not even BEGUN to give up.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't have to buy it, because it is being given as a free gift.

The Instructor

I beg to differ. It is NOT a 'gift'. It is being attempted to shove it down our throats unwanted. That is not a gift.

Originally posted by sonhouse
I beg to differ. It is NOT a 'gift'. It is being attempted to shove it down our throats unwanted. That is not a gift.

However, the gift is needed.

The Instructor

Originally posted by RJHinds
We need to introduce the controversy to allow for freedom of thought. It is bad to teach only EVIL in school.

The Instructor

controversy is for the people that understand what the hell they are talking about. you don't. you get what smarter people than you have discovered.


nobody teaches alchemy as a valid alternative to chemistry to "allow for freedom of thought". nobody allows magic to be a valid major in college.

nobody cares for creationist crap except the us and some few banana republics

Originally posted by KellyJay
If I understand Thursdayism, and I may not, that has the universe
made last Thursday and we were given false memories to help fool us
into to believing otherwise. That would not be the case in creation since
in the beginning man knew when and how it occured, nothing false
about the whole thing occured.

The issue you seem to want to inject is that whe ...[text shortened]... because
they have closed minds, not being able to think outside of their little
boxes.
Kelly

don't you understand? creationism is a lie, evolution is a lie, we were all created last thursday with complete memories. you remember that you are a creationist, i remember that i and others completely destroyed any arguments you ever had.


but none really happened. we are all a day old.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
don't you understand? creationism is a lie, evolution is a lie, we were all created last thursday with complete memories. you remember that you are a creationist, i remember that i and others completely destroyed any arguments you ever had.


but none really happened. we are all a day old.

I do not believe creationism is a lie, you may feel it is not correct, but I on
the other hand believe God created the universe and everything in it.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I do not believe creationism is a lie, you may feel it is not correct, but I on
the other hand believe God created the universe and everything in it.
Kelly

Faith is a wonderful thing, Kelly. Sometimes I wish I had the ability to just have faith - it would save me so much soul-searching! But never forget that for all the joy, wonder, strength of belief etc that faith gives you, it can never trump evidence. By all means have faith, have religious convictions if you have to, but always remember that God just might not exist. It might just be a man-made construct to explain it all. At the moment you have total conviction and faith in God. That's fine, and I have no problem with that, it clearly enriches your life, but answer me this: do you sometimes have doubt? Does your faith sometimes wobble? Do you sometimes find it hard to believe in a God who can allow so much evil in the world? If the answer to any of these is "yes" then please just allow the possibility of non God generated evolution.

Originally posted by RJHinds
However, the gift is needed.

The Instructor

So you are part of the problem, not part of the solution, as usual.

Originally posted by Zahlanzi
don't you understand? creationism is a lie, evolution is a lie, we were all created last thursday with complete memories. you remember that you are a creationist, i remember that i and others completely destroyed any arguments you ever had.


but none really happened. we are all a day old.

In the Omphalos Hypothesis upon which Thursdayism is based, the universe was created fully formed. Adam and Eve were born with no navels, trees came into being in the Garden of Eden with no age rings, but were animals afraid of fire? If so, why?