Originally posted by RJHinds
I somewhat agree with you except I would say that the most important
role of the Government is to provide defense against foreign aggression.
Like when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and declared war on the USA.
That ended with the use of atomic bombs. Today, Japan is one of our
best friends.
P.S. I believe Jesus will use His version of atomic bombs when He returns
to deal with His enemies and the enemies of His people.
I believe Jesus will use His version of atomic bombs when He returns
to deal with His enemies...
Jesus' message really went right over your head, didn't it?
Originally posted by RJHindswhile defense is important, it should never be the government's job to provide it. it should be up to every able bodied citizen to provide defense against foreign aggression.
I somewhat agree with you except I would say that the most important
role of the Government is to provide defense against foreign aggression.
Like when Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and declared war on the USA.
That ended with the use of atomic bombs. Today, Japan is one of our
best friends.
P.S. I believe Jesus will use His version of atomic bombs when He returns
to deal with His enemies and the enemies of His people.
if you leave it to the government, they will fabricate false flag operations to manipulate the people into wars they want for the benefit of their lobiests and richest contributors.
Originally posted by VoidSpiritI don't mean that the individual should not be involved in his own
while defense is important, it should never be the government's job to provide it. it should be up to every able bodied citizen to provide defense against foreign aggression.
if you leave it to the government, they will fabricate false flag operations to manipulate the people into wars they want for the benefit of their lobiests and richest contributors.
defense. What I mean is the most important thing that the tax money
collected by the government should be used for is to provide the
infrastructure for defense, like the police and the military, which I was
apart for twenty years.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI would take a bullet yes if it meant my wife and kid would be safe yes indeed sir so yes I do understand. I would lay my life down for them and well this is a very Christian principle
lets see, a man with a gun who wants to kill and rob me and my family, sooo what would you have i do, jump in front of the bullets? No i dont think you do understand.
Manny
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Originally posted by menace71soo lets get this straight, a man robs you at gun point, you take a bullet and die and your wife and children are now safe? Really? Did you really think this out? Also what has this got to do with bombing innocent women and children in war time, an act which you sought to justify and sanction, as has jaywill, as has RJH, as has Suzzianne and other Christians. What if it were your wife and children being bombed day and night. Is not demonstrating love for ones neighbour also a Christian principle or do we just forget about it when there is a war? Searching questions indeed, for every true Christian. BTW way have you seen Bowling for Columbine? Do you think that Americas predilection towards gun ownership contributes to violent crime?
I would take a bullet yes if it meant my wife and kid would be safe yes indeed sir so yes I do understand. I would lay my life down for them and well this is a very Christian principle
Manny
Originally posted by robbie carrobieyou make good points.
soo lets get this straight, a man robs you at gun point, you take a bullet and die and your wife and children are now safe? Really? Did you really think this out? Also what has this got to do with bombing innocent women and children in war time, an act which you sought to justify and sanction, as has jaywill, as has RJH, as has Suzzianne and other ...[text shortened]... ne? Do you think that Americas predilection towards gun ownership contributes to violent crime?
there are no christians who support war. there are no christians in any army. no christian has ever taken a rifle and fired it at someone he is told is an enemy of the state. no christian has ever waved a national flag or sung a national hymn.
there are a hordes of people who claim to be christian who do these things, but there are no christians who do so.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHaven't you ever heard, "All is fair in love and war".
soo lets get this straight, a man robs you at gun point, you take a bullet and die and your wife and children are now safe? Really? Did you really think this out? Also what has this got to do with bombing innocent women and children in war time, an act which you sought to justify and sanction, as has jaywill, as has RJH, as has Suzzianne and other ...[text shortened]... ne? Do you think that Americas predilection towards gun ownership contributes to violent crime?
Originally posted by VoidSpiritWho told you such rubbish?
you make good points.
there are no christians who support war. there are no christians in any army. no christian has ever taken a rifle and fired it at someone he is told is an enemy of the state. no christian has ever waved a national flag or sung a national hymn.
there are a hordes of people who claim to be christian who do these things, but there are no christians who do so.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt has proven to deter crimes.
soo lets get this straight, a man robs you at gun point, you take a bullet and die and your wife and children are now safe? Really? Did you really think this out? Also what has this got to do with bombing innocent women and children in war time, an act which you sought to justify and sanction, as has jaywill, as has RJH, as has Suzzianne and other ...[text shortened]... ne? Do you think that Americas predilection towards gun ownership contributes to violent crime?
Originally posted by VoidSpiritthankyou voidspirit, this statement of yours can not only be verified scripturally, but historically as well, the early Christians did not serve in the military.
you make good points.
there are no christians who support war. there are no christians in any army. no christian has ever taken a rifle and fired it at someone he is told is an enemy of the state. no christian has ever waved a national flag or sung a national hymn.
there are a hordes of people who claim to be christian who do these things, but there are no christians who do so.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHey Robbie. How's it going? Been on a little break but the BIG issue here that a couple such as RJ seem to miss is what would Jesus do in these situations that are offered here?
How has it proven to deter crime? dont criminals also have guns?
If Jesus had been born let's say in 1900, would he had offered his services to a government if ordered to join the military ranks to fight against another country especially if it were one that had "other Christians" in it's population?
I think we know the answer which would be crystal clear to most that even half way understand what "love" meant to Jesus and what we should all understand and practice daily. But by the stand ones such as RJ take, that not matter what Jesus demonstrated and taught, they will still turn away from that true Christain love and would still follow their governments orders and kill another human and even worse another Christian Brother.
He and others like him completely miss the point and have no grasp of the love that Jesus taught and that we as Christianians MUST FOLLOW FIRST........
A Christian cannot follow two Masters!!!