Originally posted by galveston75Jesus was the only man to live his entire life without sin. No man
You tell me...Where does a Christian draw the line?
The Bible has the answers from Jesus's own words and examples. To be a Christian means to "follow in Jesus foot steps" and conform our life to one of love and peace.
If you are literally following in anothers footsteps but decide to step out of those foot steps and make your own........ well, do yo ...[text shortened]... nt?
Do you think putting on a uniform and picking up a gun is what Jesus would have done?
can follow that. As Christians, we attempt the best we can to
obey his teachings and rely on his grace, due to our belief and faith
in him, to make up for our shortcomings. Yes, I do think Jesus
would put on the uniform and pick up a gun, if the situation called
for it. It is clear to me that in world war II it was necessary. If
there were no Israelis willing to put on the uniform and pick up
a gun to defend Israel in the Six-Day War of 1967 there would be
no Israel today. I think Jesus approved of their actions.
Originally posted by RJHindsOMG..You clearly have no concept of Jesus and the things he taught. I expected this answer from you so I really don't know why I'm so shocked but yet you dare call yourself a Christian?
Jesus was the only man to live his entire life without sin. No man
can follow that. As Christians, we attempt the best we can to
obey his teachings and rely on his grace, due to our belief and faith
in him, to make up for our shortcomings. Yes, I do think Jesus
would put on the uniform and pick up a gun, if the situation called
for it. It is clear ...[text shortened]... e Six-Day War of 1967 there would be
no Israel today. I think Jesus approved of their actions.
Jesus said to ones like you that profess to be his followers to get away from him as he does not know you.
What a reproach and embarrasment on Jesus and his Father. No wonder so many have turned their backs on religion when they hear ones like yourself say these things.
And it amazes me that ones like Manny seem to stick up for this fioolishness you spout out.
Originally posted by galveston75Maybe you don't understand Jesus at all. Perhaps it is you that does
OMG..You clearly have no concept of Jesus and the things he taught. I expected this answer from you so I really don't know why I'm so shocked but yet you dare call yourself a Christian?
Jesus said to ones like you that profess to be his followers to get away from him as he does not know you.
What a reproach and embarrasment on Jesus and his Father. N ...[text shortened]...
And it amazes me that ones like Manny seem to stick up for this fioolishness you spout out.
not know Him. Many of the Jews of His time were expecting the
Messiah to come and conquer the Romans and free them. Were
they really wrong to expect such a thing or was it written in the
scriptures. Anyway Jesus was rejected because He did not meet up
to their expectations. Are the Jews today still expecting this kind of
Messiah to come?
Originally posted by RJHindsyup.
Maybe you don't understand Jesus at all. Perhaps it is you that does
not know Him. Many of the Jews of His time were expecting the
Messiah to come and conquer the Romans and free them. Were
they really wrong to expect such a thing or was it written in the
scriptures. Anyway Jesus was rejected because He did not meet up
to their expectations. Are the Jews today still expecting this kind of
Messiah to come?
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Originally posted by RJHindsCompletely wrong. The situation did call for it in Gesthemane, and that's not what he did, was it? Did the opposite, didn't he? You don't know your scripture AND you're a horrible follower of the teachings of Jesus.
... Yes, I do think Jesus
would put on the uniform and pick up a gun, if the situation called
for it. ...
Originally posted by BadwaterThanks for those kind words. Now that is what you call turning the other
Completely wrong. The situation did call for it in Gesthemane, and that's not what he did, was it? Did the opposite, didn't he? You don't know your scripture AND you're a horrible follower of the teachings of Jesus.
Cheek. I forgive you for not understanding how I can be a Christian and
not agree with your concept of a Christian.
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Originally posted by BadwaterWhat???
Completely wrong. The situation did call for it in Gesthemane, and that's not what he did, was it? Did the opposite, didn't he? You don't know your scripture AND you're a horrible follower of the teachings of Jesus.
No, the situation in Gethsemane did NOT call for it. Jesus had just finished praying, saying "Thy will be done." He accepted His role in the salvation of man. Obviously the situation in Gethsemane did not call for taking up arms in defense, but to surrender, in order to become the scapegoat for mankind.
Let's think about this for one minute. If Jesus has resisted in Gethsemane, what do you think would have happened? That's right, He may have died on the spot, in private, and the apostles with Him. No one would be left to carry on His message, and the apostles would not have spread the Gospel of Christianity any further than that moment in history. It would have meant an abrupt end to the fledgling Christian movement.
Perhaps it's you who do not know your scripture. Following the will of the Father, Christ's death was set in stone even before the moment of His birth. RJH is merely giving his opinion on the matter. It IS true that when Christ returns, it WILL be as the Messiah the Jews have been expecting for thousands of years. But Gethsemane was not the time nor the place for this. There were bigger plans afoot.
Originally posted by SuzianneThe entire idea that a man could be the 'scapegoat for mankind' is so preposterous I can't even get the words out.
What???
No, the situation in Gethsemane did NOT call for it. Jesus had just finished praying, saying "Thy will be done." He accepted His role in the salvation of mankind. Obviously the situation in Gethsemane did not call for taking up arms in defense, but to surrender, in order to become the scapegoat for Mankind.
Perhaps it's you who do not know ...[text shortened]... hrist returns, it WILL be as the Messiah the Jews have been expecting for thousands of years.
Like here is this dude in the middle east who by dying saves the human race? What a crock.
Like that saves the Aborigines in Australia who at least at that time would never even have HEARD of Jesus much less fallen in with him. Or the Chinese who had a nice civilization going without much contact at all with the Romans, or the people in Tibet. I'm sure THEY needed saving.
Christianity is one of the most bizarre religions ever. And there are some REALLY bizarre ones out there. Try Scientology for bizzare. I have to backtrack on that one though, Scientology redefines bizarre.
The absolutely amazing thing to me is how billions of people can be so deluded and controlled by such a bizzare religion that tells people they are BORN into sin. Oh but if you become christian, we can fix all that bad stuff you were born into.
You see, we have this virgin who had a kid.......
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Originally posted by sonhouseok, despite my better judgement and perhaps being accused of feeding the troll, I'll bite at this.
The entire idea that a man could be the 'scapegoat for mankind' is so preposterous I can't even get the words out.
Like here is this dude in the middle east who by dying saves the human race? What a crock.
Like that saves the Aborigines in Australia who at least at that time would never even have HEARD of Jesus much less fallen in with him. Or the C ix all that bad stuff you were born into.
You see, we have this virgin who had a kid.......
First of all, regardless of what you and your godless pals assume is "fact", or "bizarre", Christians believe what I said about this "scapegoat business". That Christ came to absolve ALL humans of sin (yes, even you, should you only accept the gift). This is a cornerstone of what it means to be Christian. We thus have two choices when we hear a diatribe like yours. Pray for you ("Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do." ) and hope you are eventually saved from yourself before your time runs out, or to give it up as a lost cause and turn our backs to you lest you somehow deteriorate our Faith. It does bother me that you would laugh so heartily at what is a central tenet of my faith. But then again, disrespect works both ways. There are none so deaf, dumb or blind as those who CHOOSE to be deaf, dumb and/or blind.
All that being said, I do have to agree with you on Scientology. L. Ron Hubbard said numerous times that his organization is not a religion, but merely a tax shelter, and made no secret of the fact that he laughed daily at the US Government for giving him tax-exempt status. Not really so bizarre when you think about it.
Originally posted by sonhouseThis is the basis for your error.
The entire idea that a man could be the 'scapegoat for mankind' is so preposterous I can't even get the words out.
Christ was not just a man. Christ was the Son of God.
If He was only a man, your diatribe would of course make sense. God is not a fool though. This is WHY He had to send His Son on this mission, and why nobody else would do.
And yeah, I'm fully aware that I'm basically spitting into the wind saying these things to you. So shoot me.
Originally posted by SuzianneGood try my friend but probably a waist of time.
This is the basis for your error.
Christ was not just a man. Christ was the Son of God.
If He was only a man, your diatribe would of course make sense. God is not a fool though. This is WHY He had to send His Son on this mission, and why nobody else would do.
And yeah, I'm fully aware that I'm basically spitting into the wind saying these things to you. So shoot me.
Originally posted by Suziannegod became man in order to sacrifice himself to himself to appease himself from a wrath he himself accrued... but he didn't really sacrifice himself because he raised himself from the dead and now he sits on the right hand of himself to rule his imaginary kingdom of himself for eternity.
This is the basis for your error.
Christ was not just a man. Christ was the Son of God.
If He was only a man, your diatribe would of course make sense. God is not a fool though. This is WHY He had to send His Son on this mission, and why nobody else would do.
And yeah, I'm fully aware that I'm basically spitting into the wind saying these things to you. So shoot me.
that's absurdity taken to the next level!