The American Revolution

Originally posted by RJHinds
Here is a little backgroud that lead up to the American Revolution:

Being far moved from the English throne by the Atlantic Ocean, the colonists
couldn't depend upon regular guidance from London, and so out of necessity,
formed self-governing bodies to deal with their daily business affairs. As
many decades passed, American colonists set their own pr ...[text shortened]... t another wedge to widen the
gap between Great Britain and her colonies.

you ungrateful wretch, we spend a fortune looking after your interests and protecting
you and we demand a little light taxation as a remuneration and you rebel. Shame on
you for transgressing the clear Biblical admonition.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you ungrateful wretch, we spend a fortune looking after your interests and protecting
you and we demand a little light taxation as a remuneration and you rebel. Shame on
you for transgressing the clear Biblical admonition.

Apparently, you paid little attention to the coin issue.
If Jesus had asked the Americans at that time to
produce a coin, He would not have seen a coin with
the image of the King of England on it. He would
have been given a coin produced by the colonists.
A coin that did not belong to Great Britain.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Apparently, you paid little attention to the coin issue.
If Jesus had asked the Americans at that time to
produce a coin, He would not have seen a coin with
the image of the King of England on it. He would
have been given a coin produced by the colonists.
A coin that did not belong to Great Britain.

rebels!! Caesar is Caesar regardless of whose head is on the coin.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
rebels!! Caesar is Caesar regardless of whose head is on the coin.

So you are saying it would not have mattered to Jesus if the coin
did not have the image of Caesar. So what was the reason He
asked for a coin?

Originally posted by RJHinds
So you are saying it would not have mattered to Jesus if the coin
did not have the image of Caesar. So what was the reason He
asked for a coin?

Caesar is a generic term for governments, unless of course you dont think Jesus was
giving a broad principle, but merely limiting his teaching to within the parameters of the
Roman Governmental system.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Caesar is a generic term for governments, unless of course you dont think Jesus was
giving a broad principle, but merely limiting his teaching to within the parameters of the
Roman Governmental system.

That is exactly what I think. The Pharisees were trying to get Him to
make a statement that they could use against Him as the text states.

Originally posted by RJHinds
That is exactly what I think. The Pharisees were trying to get Him to
make a statement that they could use against Him as the text states.

that would be good for you with the exception that Paul establishes a universal principle.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that would be good for you with the exception that Paul establishes a universal principle.

History records that on the night of April 18, 1775 General Gage ordered
about 800 of his British Redcoat soldiers to march about 18 miles from
Boston to Corcord to seize the shot and powder stored there by local
militias in the area. That night silversmith Paul Revere and William
Dawes made their famous rides to warn the colonists that the Redcoats
were coming. The Redcoats arrived about 4 A.M. on the Morning of April
19, 1775 and were met by only 70 farmers (militia) who took up their
squirrel guns to defend their right to keep and bear arms. They were
later joined by militia from the 23 small towns in the area and drove
the Redcoats back to Boston dispite the arrival of 1,200 Redcoats as
reinforcements. This began the American Revolutionary War.

How was it possible for a ragtag group of colonists to be able to go on
to defeat what was then the most powerful military in the world and
gain independence as a new nation if it were not the will of God?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Quite clearly the admonition given by Paul, to the Christians in Rome was relative.
We know this from other portions of scripture. Therefore when a secular authority
opposes a Biblical principle, as in the instance that you mention, then a Christian is
under duress to obey the higher Biblical principle. this is clearly indicated by Paul's
...[text shortened]... contrary a Christians conscience. For the conscience
and the right to exercise is paramount.

the colonists cited the self-evident and inalienable rights of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.

they would have argued that the British, by violating these rights, were taking actions that were contrary to a Christian's conscience.

Originally posted by RJHinds
History records that on the night of April 18, 1775 General Gage ordered
about 800 of his British Redcoat soldiers to march about 18 miles from
Boston to Corcord to seize the shot and powder stored there by local
militias in the area. That night silversmith Paul Revere and William
Dawes made their famous rides to warn the colonists that the Redcoats
wer ...[text shortened]... ful military in the world and
gain independence as a new nation if it were not the will of God?

The fact that you got support from several other major world powers and that we were
at the same time fighting in other locations around the world might have had a hand in it.

That and we didn't use the methods we typically employed at the time in putting down
rebellions because we wished to retain the loyalty of local militia.

The American war of independence was largely won by the French, with Spanish and Dutch
assistance.

One of our more embarrassing naval defeats, swiftly rectified by our victory over the
French in their attempts to take our colonies in the Caribbean (which were much more
valuable to us that the American colonies at the time) and then in the resultant French
revolution and Napoleonic wars.


BTW I agree that taxation without representation, and the way the parliament and the crown
dealt with the colonies was wrong, however claiming that the independents were acting on
high principle and morals rather than with some principles and a large helping of self interest
is to miss out on a great deal of history.

Almost nothing is simple and black and white.

Originally posted by googlefudge
The fact that you got support from several other major world powers and that we were
at the same time fighting in other locations around the world might have had a hand in it.

That and we didn't use the methods we typically employed at the time in putting down
rebellions because we wished to retain the loyalty of local militia.

The American war ...[text shortened]... st
is to miss out on a great deal of history.

Almost nothing is simple and black and white.

however claiming that the independents were acting on
high principle and morals rather than with some principles and a large helping of self interest
is to miss out on a great deal of history.

agreed.

but this will allow Robbie to make a case that the colonists were acting mainly out of greedy selfish interests and were thus breaking the Biblical command to submit to one's ruler.

I understand that you would consider such an argument to be silly.

But how would you go about convincing Robbie, using the Biblical authority that Robbie (and RJH) accept, that the colonists had the right to seek their independence.

Originally posted by googlefudge
The fact that you got support from several other major world powers and that we were
at the same time fighting in other locations around the world might have had a hand in it.

That and we didn't use the methods we typically employed at the time in putting down
rebellions because we wished to retain the loyalty of local militia.

The American war ...[text shortened]... st
is to miss out on a great deal of history.

Almost nothing is simple and black and white.

Looks like to me, God had it all planned out.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Caesar is a generic term for governments, unless of course you dont think Jesus was
giving a broad principle, but merely limiting his teaching to within the parameters of the
Roman Governmental system.

I know this thread is tongue in cheek and a huge source of amusement for you, but it's also just inane, as well as insulting to Americans.

Not to mention that you Scotch boys have quite a history of fighting the English crown, and so it's also quite hypocritical.

Originally posted by Suzianne
I know this thread is tongue in cheek and a huge source of amusement for you, but it's also just inane, as well as insulting to Americans.

Not to mention that you Scotch boys have quite a history of fighting the English crown, and so it's also quite hypocritical.

Hypocrites! Isn't that one of the insults Christ gave the Pharisees?