The American Revolution

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes, but he still needs correction and discipline.

Speaking of which, do you feel that the Founding Fathers went against God's mandate to submit to the government at large?

Originally posted by whodey
Speaking of which, do you feel that the Founding Fathers went against God's mandate to submit to the government at large?

You know how i feel about politics Whodey, never the less, yes i feel they
transgressed the admonition given to Christians at Romans 13 and elsewhere. For
example,

(Romans 13:6-7) . . .For that is why you are also paying taxes; for they are God’s
public servants constantly serving this very purpose.  Render to all their dues, to
him who [calls for] the tax, the tax; to him who [calls for] the tribute, the tribute; to
him who [calls for] fear, such fear; to him who [calls for] honour, such honour


(Mark 12:14-17) . . .Is it lawful to pay head tax to Caesar or not?  Shall we pay, or
shall we not pay?” Detecting their hypocrisy, he said to them: “Why do you put me
to the test? Bring me a denarius to look at.”  They brought one. And he said to
them: “Whose image and inscription is this?” They said to him: “Caesar’s.”  Jesus
then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” . . .

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You know how i feel about politics Whodey, never the less, yes i feel they
transgressed the admonition given to Christians at Romans 13 and elsewhere. For
example,

(Romans 13:6-7) . . .For that is why you are also paying taxes; for they are God’s
public servants constantly serving this very purpose.  Render to all their dues, to
him who ...[text shortened]... sar’s.”  Jesus
then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” . . .

There was a big difference, which you and your kind overlook.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes, but he still needs correction and discipline.

Don't we all?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You know how i feel about politics Whodey, never the less, yes i feel they
transgressed the admonition given to Christians at Romans 13 and elsewhere. For
example,

(Romans 13:6-7) . . .For that is why you are also paying taxes; for they are God’s
public servants constantly serving this very purpose.  Render to all their dues, to
him who ...[text shortened]... sar’s.”  Jesus
then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” . . .

Why then do you feel that God created the nation of Israel as they conquered the Holy Land?

Originally posted by RJHinds
There was a big difference, which you and your kind overlook.

What is the big difference between the British crown and the Roman empire?

Originally posted by whodey
What is the big difference between the British crown and the Roman empire?

I am not an expert on the British Crown or the Roman Empire, so I am not
sure what the big difference is between them. There are differences, but
I did not pay alot of attention to world history in school and just barely
passed and I don't remember much about what I was supposed to have
learn.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am not an expert on the British Crown or the Roman Empire, so I am not
sure what the big difference is between them. There are differences, but
I did not pay alot of attention to world history in school and just barely
passed and I don't remember much about what I was supposed to have
learn.

You surely are the dark horse in the running. This is fascinating. Look out Dasa !

Originally posted by karoly aczel
You surely are the dark horse in the running. This is fascinating. Look out Dasa !

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
You surely are the dark horse in the running. This is fascinating. Look out Dasa !

Yeah. Dasa had better watch out RJH is coming up on the rails!

Originally posted by RJHinds
What are you talking about?

Go boy, go!!

Originally posted by whodey
What is the big difference between the British crown and the Roman empire?

The big difference I was referring to is that the people of Israel had been
conquered by the Romans and were not Roman citizens, yet they were getting
the benefit of a stable government and they should pay the debt they owed
toward its maintenance. Our forefathers that came to America from Britian
were British citizens and were being refused representation in the British
parliment. It is believed that the phrase "No Taxation Without Representation!"
was used by Reverend Jonathan Mayhew in a sermon in Boston just before the
protest of "the Boston Tea Party".

Originally posted by RJHinds
There was a big difference, which you and your kind overlook.

Me and my kind? wow, that's rather prejudiced, dont you think? Anyway, listen up
spanklberger, try making a reference to the Biblical texts.

Originally posted by whodey
Why then do you feel that God created the nation of Israel as they conquered the Holy Land?

Ok, first of all, i dont see how or why the question is relevant and secondly, both you
and RJH have ignored the Biblical texts that were provided. It was these texts that
formed the basis of my argument, please make reference to those.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Ok, first of all, i dont see how or why the question is relevant and secondly, both you
and RJH have ignored the Biblical texts that were provided. It was these texts that
formed the basis of my argument, please make reference to those.

So the mandate to pay your taxes means that God views revolution to be sinful? They are not necessarily contradictory in my view.

It is like many other things in the Bible, it requires context and the ability to not put God in a box. For example, who woulda thunk God would have asked Abraham to sacrifice his son? It all seems contradictory does it not?

So you are left with Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son as you are the nation of Israel being asked to conquer the Holy Land. It is up to you I guess to ignore it.