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    10 Oct '11 15:10
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes, but he still needs correction and discipline.
    Speaking of which, do you feel that the Founding Fathers went against God's mandate to submit to the government at large?
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    10 Oct '11 18:441 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Speaking of which, do you feel that the Founding Fathers went against God's mandate to submit to the government at large?
    You know how i feel about politics Whodey, never the less, yes i feel they
    transgressed the admonition given to Christians at Romans 13 and elsewhere. For
    example,

    (Romans 13:6-7) . . .For that is why you are also paying taxes; for they are God’s
    public servants constantly serving this very purpose.  Render to all their dues, to
    him who [calls for] the tax, the tax; to him who [calls for] the tribute, the tribute; to
    him who [calls for] fear, such fear; to him who [calls for] honour, such honour


    (Mark 12:14-17) . . .Is it lawful to pay head tax to Caesar or not?  Shall we pay, or
    shall we not pay?” Detecting their hypocrisy, he said to them: “Why do you put me
    to the test? Bring me a denarius to look at.”  They brought one. And he said to
    them: “Whose image and inscription is this?” They said to him: “Caesar’s.”  Jesus
    then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” . . .
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    11 Oct '11 02:44
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    You know how i feel about politics Whodey, never the less, yes i feel they
    transgressed the admonition given to Christians at Romans 13 and elsewhere. For
    example,

    (Romans 13:6-7) . . .For that is why you are also paying taxes; for they are God’s
    public servants constantly serving this very purpose.  Render to all their dues, to
    him who ...[text shortened]... sar’s.”  Jesus
    then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” . . .
    There was a big difference, which you and your kind overlook.
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    11 Oct '11 02:46
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    yes, but he still needs correction and discipline.
    Don't we all?
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    11 Oct '11 02:491 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    You know how i feel about politics Whodey, never the less, yes i feel they
    transgressed the admonition given to Christians at Romans 13 and elsewhere. For
    example,

    (Romans 13:6-7) . . .For that is why you are also paying taxes; for they are God’s
    public servants constantly serving this very purpose.  Render to all their dues, to
    him who ...[text shortened]... sar’s.”  Jesus
    then said: “Pay back Caesar’s things to Caesar, but God’s things to God.” . . .
    Why then do you feel that God created the nation of Israel as they conquered the Holy Land?
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    11 Oct '11 02:50
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    There was a big difference, which you and your kind overlook.
    What is the big difference between the British crown and the Roman empire?
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    11 Oct '11 03:44
    Originally posted by whodey
    What is the big difference between the British crown and the Roman empire?
    I am not an expert on the British Crown or the Roman Empire, so I am not
    sure what the big difference is between them. There are differences, but
    I did not pay alot of attention to world history in school and just barely
    passed and I don't remember much about what I was supposed to have
    learn.
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    11 Oct '11 04:03
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I am not an expert on the British Crown or the Roman Empire, so I am not
    sure what the big difference is between them. There are differences, but
    I did not pay alot of attention to world history in school and just barely
    passed and I don't remember much about what I was supposed to have
    learn.
    You surely are the dark horse in the running. This is fascinating. Look out Dasa !
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    11 Oct '11 04:24
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    You surely are the dark horse in the running. This is fascinating. Look out Dasa !
    What are you talking about?
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    11 Oct '11 04:32
    Originally posted by karoly aczel
    You surely are the dark horse in the running. This is fascinating. Look out Dasa !
    Yeah. Dasa had better watch out RJH is coming up on the rails!
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    11 Oct '11 04:32
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    What are you talking about?
    Go boy, go!!
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    11 Oct '11 04:45
    Originally posted by whodey
    What is the big difference between the British crown and the Roman empire?
    The big difference I was referring to is that the people of Israel had been
    conquered by the Romans and were not Roman citizens, yet they were getting
    the benefit of a stable government and they should pay the debt they owed
    toward its maintenance. Our forefathers that came to America from Britian
    were British citizens and were being refused representation in the British
    parliment. It is believed that the phrase "No Taxation Without Representation!"
    was used by Reverend Jonathan Mayhew in a sermon in Boston just before the
    protest of "the Boston Tea Party".
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    11 Oct '11 09:45
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    There was a big difference, which you and your kind overlook.
    Me and my kind? wow, that's rather prejudiced, dont you think? Anyway, listen up
    spanklberger, try making a reference to the Biblical texts.
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    11 Oct '11 09:47
    Originally posted by whodey
    Why then do you feel that God created the nation of Israel as they conquered the Holy Land?
    Ok, first of all, i dont see how or why the question is relevant and secondly, both you
    and RJH have ignored the Biblical texts that were provided. It was these texts that
    formed the basis of my argument, please make reference to those.
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    11 Oct '11 10:07
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Ok, first of all, i dont see how or why the question is relevant and secondly, both you
    and RJH have ignored the Biblical texts that were provided. It was these texts that
    formed the basis of my argument, please make reference to those.
    So the mandate to pay your taxes means that God views revolution to be sinful? They are not necessarily contradictory in my view.

    It is like many other things in the Bible, it requires context and the ability to not put God in a box. For example, who woulda thunk God would have asked Abraham to sacrifice his son? It all seems contradictory does it not?

    So you are left with Abraham being asked to sacrifice his son as you are the nation of Israel being asked to conquer the Holy Land. It is up to you I guess to ignore it.
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