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Originally posted by Halitosei am not trying to be dense, but i am not sure what you are saying. are you attempting to answer the question i posed?
Jesus submitted to the authority of the Father.
Originally posted by LemonJelloSure. I was trying to answer you question. You see, good works alone are not going to get you into heaven. Jesus didn't only perform good deeds, he submitted to the Father. Its like you need both switches to be flipped for the light to shine. You need to accept Christ. However, faith without deeds is dead,
i am not trying to be dense, but i am not sure what you are saying. are you attempting to answer the question i posed?
Originally posted by HalitoseYou need to accept Christ.
Sure. I was trying to answer you question. You see, good works alone are not going to get you into heaven. Jesus didn't only perform good deeds, he submitted to the Father. Its like you need both switches to be flipped for the light to shine. You need to accept Christ. However, faith without deeds is dead,
Jam 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, th ...[text shortened]... eve. Anybody could do some sort of good works. The Christians' is motivated by faith in Christ.
Originally posted by LemonJelloMat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
[b]You need to accept Christ.
so i take it that you see faith as a necessary condition for salvation. so all the people in the world who have never heard of christ and have no idea what the bible is are automatically denied salvation? they are just fuel for the eternal fires? for no other reason than simple ignorance, god deems it necessary that ...[text shortened]... indeed, you are one of the select few; heaven may end up being pretty sparsely populated.[/b]
Originally posted by HalitoseI'm in no position to say who is going to heaven and who is condemned to hell. All I can ever be assured of is my own salvation.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
God can reveal Himself to anybody at any time.
Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
I' ...[text shortened]... going to heaven and who is condemned to hell. All I can ever be assured of is my own salvation.
Originally posted by LemonJello๐
[b]I'm in no position to say who is going to heaven and who is condemned to hell. All I can ever be assured of is my own salvation.
how convenient for you.
All I can ever be assured of is my own salvation.
doubtful. i would rather say that you may be assured of your own expectations of salvation. unfortunately, great expectation often leads to great disappointment. [/b]
Originally posted by Halitosewell, at least you are happy in your cocoon of great expectation.
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Originally posted by LemonJelloDon't knock all of Christianity because of certain views. The majority of Christians aren't OSAS.
well, at least you are happy in your cocoon of great expectation.
'if the sages ask thee why
this charm is wasted on the earth and sky,
tell them, dear, that if man's ego was made for placation,
then christianity is its own ...[text shortened]...
--my own adaptation of Emerson...it sort of rhymes at the end.
Originally posted by LemonJellowell, at least you are happy in your cocoon of great expectation.
well, at least you are happy in your cocoon of great expectation.
'if the sages ask thee why
this charm is wasted on the earth and sky,
tell them, dear, that if man's ego was made for placation,
then christianity is its own ...[text shortened]...
--my own adaptation of Emerson...it sort of rhymes at the end.
Originally posted by Bosse de NageIn terms of Catholic teaching, there are, indeed, degrees of damnation.
I wonder what he meant by "offend".
There must be degrees of damnation if suicide is preferable to child molestation from a hereafter perspective.
Was that where the idea of Purgatory came from?
Originally posted by Bosse de NageAnd nothing don’t mean nothing honey if it ain’t free now.
Well, yes. You can sit inertly on a couch and enjoy the comforts of passive existence as your mind and body rot. Being is an active state (or vibration if you like).
Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose ๐
Originally posted by Bosse de NageBut even if the person is inert, would he not still be aware of the world around him and of himself? Would he still not think? Does "being" imply "doing"?
Well, yes. You can sit inertly on a couch and enjoy the comforts of passive existence as your mind and body rot. Being is an active state (or vibration if you like).