18 Sep '13 09:51Originally posted by Great King RatHell, no. All of us are rotten to the core if left to our overt and covert carnality without external restraint and/or redeeming internal virtues and standards which must be learned. That's why early parental teaching is so important to a child.
Do you think that atheists are more amoral than theists, GB?
18 Sep '13 10:25Originally posted by JS357God is dead is a delusion, what ol Nietzsche was saying was that there was no more need or necessity for God or a morality delivered from a deity, humans could successfully establish their own morality entirely independently, the evidence against the premise is of course now rather telling.
The death of God resulted in the disintegration of the shrine at which people had come to worship their morality, or more accurately, worship the imagined Author of their morality. Religion was a sea anchor. We are cast adrift. Moral authority seeks a new basis for those whose God is dead. I see no reason to hate this person. He spoke truth.
My only point o ...[text shortened]... h a desire to break away from moral laws. Nor did he. I think he was saying what I say above.
18 Sep '13 10:491 editOriginally posted by robbie carrobie
God is dead is a delusion, what ol Nietzsche was saying was that there was no more need or necessity for God or a morality delivered from a deity, humans could successfully establish their own morality entirely independently, the evidence against the premise is of course now rather telling.
18 Sep '13 13:151 editOriginally posted by Grampy BobbyI have a question as to why he used the term 'incubus', which has sexual connotations:
Hell, no. All of us are rotten to the core if left to our overt and covert carnality without external restraint and/or redeeming internal virtues and standards which must be learned. That's why early parental teaching is so important to a child.
18 Sep '13 14:27Originally posted by Grampy BobbyYou agree then that religion, faith or indeed god are not needed for gaining and keeping a sense of morality?
Hell, no. All of us are rotten to the core if left to our overt and covert carnality without external restraint and/or redeeming internal virtues and standards which must be learned. That's why early parental teaching is so important to a child.
18 Sep '13 14:491 editOriginally posted by robbie carrobieThe question I had was:
God is dead is a delusion, what ol Nietzsche was saying was that there was no more need or necessity for God or a morality delivered from a deity, humans could successfully establish their own morality entirely independently, the evidence against the premise is of course now rather telling.
18 Sep '13 14:531 editOriginally posted by Great King RatI think it is clear we don't need constant reference to the alleged morality of a god now but 3000 years ago, maybe it was needed back then since people were not as restrained as they are today, more like a gang of biker thugs who would just take what they want and damn the consequences. Just a guess.
You agree then that religion, faith or indeed god are not needed for gaining and keeping a sense of morality?
18 Sep '13 17:113 editsOriginally posted by robbie carrobieNietzche didn't own the term. Hegel said it before him and may others have explored the idea. It doesn't necessarily assert a lack of need for divine authority, it can assert a social trend that results in a regrettable vacuum as follows:
God is dead is a delusion, what ol Nietzsche was saying was that there was no more need or necessity for God or a morality delivered from a deity, humans could successfully establish their own morality entirely independently, the evidence against the premise is of course now rather telling.
18 Sep '13 18:124 editsOriginally posted by Grampy BobbyI'm a bit confused. Why does your initial source here (which is http://truthlab.wordpress.com/tag/hobart-mauer/ ) use the name 'Mauer' when his name is actually Orval Hobart Mowrer? If you look up the work Sin: the Lesser of Two Evils it is referenced to author O. Hobart Mowrer (from American Psychologist, Vol 15(5), May 1960, 301-304). So is your source just too incompetent to get the guy's name right; or is there some other explanation?
[b]"The atheist atheists love to hate"
"Hobart Mauer, famed psychologist, who earned his doctorate degree from Johns Hopkins, for four years was instructor at Yale, for eight years taught at Harvard, and in 1954 became president of the American Psychological Association was also an avowed atheist, and ended his life by suicide.
In 1960 he wrot n some circumstances. He committed suicide in 1982 at the age of 75." (wiki)
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18 Sep '13 18:48Originally posted by LemonJelloHi, LemonJello. Not having seen you here in awhile, I wondered if you had changed your address to L.J., One Academe Avenue, All Points Celestial, Heaven. lol Glad you're okay. Always try to provide 100% percent verbatim text; this was no exception. In referencing several sites, including Wiki, I did notice the alternative spellings and concluded the explanation was most likely a matter of preference or protocol in the use of a Foreign and/or Americanized transliteration. Thanks for noticing this contradiction; since you've always been thorough in your deliberations, the detection comes as no surprise.
I'm a bit confused. Why does your initial source here (which is http://truthlab.wordpress.com/tag/hobart-mauer/ ) use the name 'Mauer' when his name is actually Orval Hobart Mowrer? If you look up the work Sin: the Lesser of Two Evils it is referenced to author O. Hobart Mowrer (from American Psychologist, Vol 15(5), May 1960, 301-304). So is yo ...[text shortened]... mentioned him). I may read the work in question and form my own opinion (if I have time).
18 Sep '13 20:07 18 Sep '13 20:52Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Atheist: "noun. a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence
of God or gods: he is a committed atheist." (oxforddictionaries.com)
Question: Would it be within the realm of conceivable reality that those who become atheists as adults gradually acquired a deep distrust and consequent dislike or hatred of authority figures [fathers, coach ...[text shortened]... all posts that merit response later this evening or in the morning. Thanks for your interest.
Question: Would it be within the realm of conceivable reality that those who become atheists
as adults gradually acquired a deep distrust and consequent dislike or hatred of authority figures
[fathers, coaches, bosses] at an early point in their lives?
18 Sep '13 20:54Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Hi, LemonJello. Not having seen you here in awhile, I wondered if you had changed your address to L.J., One Academe Avenue, All Points Celestial, Heaven. lol Glad you're okay. Always try to provide 100% percent verbatim text; this was no exception. In referencing several sites, including Wiki, I did notice the alternative spellings and concluded the exp ...[text shortened]... ; since you've always been thorough in your deliberations, the detection comes as no surprise.
Glad you're okay.
"The atheist atheists love to hate"
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