The Authority of Paul

Originally posted by @romans1009
You can claim I haven’t already addressed that all you want but I have. And I’ve explained how salvation by faith alone does not minimize the importance of good works and that good works are evidence of salvation and God’s Holy Spirit indwelling a believer but y’all just don’t want to hear it.

Nor do you want to explain how the thief on the cross obta ...[text shortened]... son either dies very shortly after accepting Christ or if his or her acceptance was not sincere.

And Romans did just as I said:
"It flies in the face of the core of the doctrine that he has been taught, so at most all he is willing to do is to reiterate the core of the doctrine that he has been taught.This tactic is intellectually dishonest at best."

Originally posted by @thinkofone
And Romans did just as I said:
"It flies in the face of the core of the doctrine that he has been taught, [b]so at most all he is willing to do is to reiterate the core of the doctrine that he has been taught.This tactic is intellectually dishonest at best."[/b]

How did the thief on the cross obtain salvation from Jesus Christ? What good works did he do?

Originally posted by @thinkofone
And Romans did just as I said:
"It flies in the face of the core of the doctrine that he has been taught, [b]so at most all he is willing to do is to reiterate the core of the doctrine that he has been taught.This tactic is intellectually dishonest at best."[/b]

How is your view of how a Christian obtains salvation different from how a Jew obtained salvation in the Old Testament?

Originally posted by @thinkofone
And Romans did just as I said:
"It flies in the face of the core of the doctrine that he has been taught, [b]so at most all he is willing to do is to reiterate the core of the doctrine that he has been taught.This tactic is intellectually dishonest at best."[/b]

What was the purpose of Jesus Christ’s crucifixion? Why did He say His life would be a ransom for many?

“But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;

And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:

Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”

(Matthew 20:25-28)

Originally posted by @romans1009
What was the purpose of Jesus Christ’s crucifixion? Why did He say His life would be a ransom for many?

“But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.

But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let hi ...[text shortened]... ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”

(Matthew 20:25-28)

Matthew 20 
26“It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant, 27and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave; 28just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.” 

The word translated as "ransom" literally means "the purchasing money for manumitting slaves". It is only used figuratively as a sacrifice for the atonement of sins. 

Read Matthew 20:26-28 in its entirety. Jesus wants His disciples to serve others by giving (dedicating) their lives to FREEing others from slavery just as He did.. 

The concept of "the purchasing money for manumitting slaves" is entirely consistent with what I've posted so often about those who abide in Jesus' word are set FREE from the slavery of committing sin. 

In Luke 4 at the beginning of the ministry of Jesus, Jesus declares that one of the purposes for which He was anointed was to "proclaim release to the captives". 

Jesus later provided details about what this entails in the following: 
John 8 
"34Jesus answered them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, everyone who commits sin is the slave of sin." 
" 31 ...If you abide in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.” 
"36So if the Son makes you free, you will be free indeed. " 
" 35The slave does not remain in the house forever; the son does remain forever. 
51Truly, truly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he will never see death.” 

Those who abide in His word are made FREE from the slavery of committing sin. The gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry is consistent about this. 

Matthew 26:28 is also consistent with this. 

Why don't you allow the words of the gospel preached by Jesus to speak for themselves? Instead you pervert His words by awkwardly trying to make them fit into the gospel of Paul.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
And Romans did just as I said:
"It flies in the face of the core of the doctrine that he has been taught, [b]so at most all he is willing to do is to reiterate the core of the doctrine that he has been taught.This tactic is intellectually dishonest at best."[/b]

Do you deny God has a New Covenant with man?

What is the “good news” of Jesus Christ’s Gospel?

You can’t answer any of these questions because you believe a false doctrine.

The Parable of the Sheep and Goats is simple.

Those who accepted Christ received God’s Holy Spirit and acted accordingly. Those who didn’t accept Christ did not receive God’s Holy Spirit and did not act accordingly.

Do you need every dot connected for you before you see the picture?

Good grief.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Matthew 20 
26“It is not this way among you, but whoever wishes to become great among you shall be your servant, 27and whoever wishes to be first among you shall be your slave; 28just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.” 

The word translated as "ransom" literally means "the purchasing mon ...[text shortened]... ves? Instead you pervert His words by awkwardly trying to make them fit into the gospel of Paul.

You seem content to let Jesus’ words speak for themselves when they suit your false doctrines of “salvation by works” and “Jesus was just a man.”

When His words go against your false doctrines, you twist them into a pretzel in an attempt to square a circle.

How is obtaining salvation in Christianity different from obtaining salvation in the Old Testament (Judaism?) Was Christ’s role in your view completely restricted to that of a teacher?

Originally posted by @romans1009
You seem content to let Jesus’ words speak for themselves when they suit your false doctrines of “salvation by works” and “Jesus was just a man.”

When His words go against your false doctrines, you twist them into a pretzel in an attempt to square a circle.

How is obtaining salvation in Christianity different from obtaining salvation in the Old Testament (Judaism?) Was Christ’s role in your view completely restricted to that of a teacher?

When His words go against your false doctrines, you twist them into a pretzel in an attempt to square a circle.

Try actually addressing what I wrote instead of only making a vacuous claim.

In other words, actually attempt to make a cogent argument.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
[b]When His words go against your false doctrines, you twist them into a pretzel in an attempt to square a circle.

Try actually addressing what I wrote instead of only making a vacuous claim.

In other words, actually attempt to make a cogent argument.[/b]

Your analysis of Matthew 20:28 flies in the face of the rest of the New Testament and is contrary to every Biblical commentary on that verse that I’m aware of.

The usual and, in my opinion, correct view of what Jesus Christ meant by His life being a ransom for many is consistent with the New Covenant that Jesus spoke of, the divinity of Jesus which He also spoke of, the Resurrection of Jesus, which He also spoke of, and the “good news” of His Gospel.

You have to ignore all of that and pretend it doesn’t exist for your interpretation to be correct.

Originally posted by @romans1009
Your analysis of Matthew 20:28 flies in the face of the rest of the New Testament and is contrary to every Biblical commentary on that verse that I’m aware of.

The usual and, in my opinion, correct view of what Jesus Christ meant by His life being a ransom for many is consistent with the New Covenant that Jesus spoke of, the divinity of Jesus which He ...[text shortened]... u have to ignore all of that and pretend it doesn’t exist for your interpretation to be correct.

Your argument boils down to what I wrote flies in the face of the core of the doctrine that you've been taught.

So what? I know it does. That's the larger point that I've been making pretty much since I've been posting on this forum: Christianity is not built upon the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. Rather it is built upon a different gospel.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Your argument boils down to what I wrote flies in the face of the core of the doctrine that you've been taught.

So what? I know it does. That's the larger point that I've been making pretty much since I've been posting on this forum: Christianity is not built upon the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. Rather it is built upon a different gospel.

You’re misrepresenting what I wrote and you seem to only want to believe Jesus’ words when they fit your false “salvation by works” and “Jesus was just a man” doctrines.

Jesus Christ Himself said He came down from heaven and identified as God.

Jesus Christ Himself spoke of the New Covenant that God was making with man (which also was part of an Old Testament prophecy) and that the New Covenant was in His blood.

Jesus Christ Himself spoke of His Resurrection from the dead.

Jesus Christ Himself told His disciples to spread His Gospel.

What, in your view, was that “good news?”

Was it, “Hey guys, not only is God no longer accepting animal sacrifices to atone for sins but we’ve also ramped up sins to include being angry at someone and looking on a woman with lust in your heart. Have a nice day!”

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re misrepresenting what I wrote and you seem to only want to believe Jesus’ words when they fit your false “salvation by works” and “Jesus was just a man” doctrines.

Jesus Christ Himself said He came down from heaven and identified as God.

Jesus Christ Himself spoke of the New Covenant that God was making with man (which also was part of an Old ...[text shortened]... include being angry at someone and looking on a woman with lust in your heart. Have a nice day!”

Seems that all you can do is reiterate how what I've written "flies in the face of the core of the doctrine that you've been taught".

Once again, "So what?".

Tell you what. Point out all the places in my post about Matthew 20:26-28 where it is not logically consistent in and of itself. I don't think you can. It's well thought-out - unlike what you've been posting in response.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You’re misrepresenting what I wrote and you seem to only want to believe Jesus’ words when they fit your false “salvation by works” and “Jesus was just a man” doctrines.

Jesus Christ Himself said He came down from heaven and identified as God.

Jesus Christ Himself spoke of the New Covenant that God was making with man (which also was part of an Old ...[text shortened]... include being angry at someone and looking on a woman with lust in your heart. Have a nice day!”

The point I think Jesus was making with getting angry and looking with lust is, when measured against that, even the most righteous in their own eyes should realize that they are a sinner and fall short of the glory of God. Anyone who thinks they are good enough on their own and is not a sinner is not being totally honest with themselves.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Seems that all you can do is reiterate how what I've written "flies in the face of the core of the doctrine that you've been taught".

Once again, "So what?".

Tell you what. Point out all the places in my post about Matthew 20:26-28 where it is not logically consistent in and of itself. I don't think you can. It's well thought-out - unlike what you've been posting in response.

You can’t look at a single verse or even a passage of several verses in isolation and then assign a meaning to them beyond what is plainly stated.

Originally posted by @romans1009
You can’t look at a single verse or even a passage of several verses in isolation and then assign a meaning to them beyond what is plainly stated.

Unless you point out exactly all the places where you think I did that in my post about Matthew 20:26-28, then you've only succeeding in making yet another vacuous claim.