4.) The hearers are to believe and be baptized upon Christ's name for forgiveness of sins.
"And when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and they said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, What should we do, brothers?
And Peter said to them, Repent and each one of you be baptized upon the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, ... " (v.37,38a)
5.) They should receive the Holy Spirit and learn to live by Him to be further saved from that crooked generation.
" ... and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (v.38b)
And with many other words he solemnly testified and exhorted them, saying, Be saved from this crooked generation." (v.40)
This is Peter's faithfulness and not his bias skewing perversion of his Master's instructions.
Originally posted by @sonshipStrong's #859: aphesis (pronounced af'-es-is)
from 863; freedom; (figuratively) pardon:--deliverance, forgiveness, liberty, remission.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon:
aphesis
1) release from bondage or imprisonment
2) [b]forgiveness or pardon, of sins (letting them go as if they had never been committed), remission of the penalty
All to which proves the redeeming nature of His death.
[my bolding]
Amen.[/b]In Luke 4:18, Jesus says, "HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES". Release as in FREEdom. Clearly it is not about "forgiveness".
In John 8 Jesus explains that those who "abide in [His] words" will be made "FREE" from committing sin. Once again FREEdom. Clearly is not about "forgiveness" for committing sin.
In Matthew 20:28 Jesus uses the exact same word that He did in Luke 4:18. Somehow it makes sense to jaywill that Jesus used the exact same word to mean "FREEdom" in Luke 4 and "forgiveness" in Matthew 26. This despite the fact that "FREEdom" is also consistent with what Jesus had to say in John 8.
It's utter nonsense - as are many other Christian beliefs. Nonsense that does not exist in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. Christianity is built upon the sand of the gospel of others.
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Originally posted by @thinkofone
In Luke 4:18, Jesus says, "HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES". Release as in FREEdom. Clearly it is not about "forgiveness".
it may read "release" there. That it reads "not FORGIVENESS" is your wishful thinking.
The passage does not say for YOU "everything but [not] forgiveness".
The Year of Jubilee was in infect the release from legitimate obligations. And forgiveness CANNOT be insisted to be EXCLUDED from the nature of the Old Testament Jubilee.
In John 8 Jesus explains that those who "abide in [His] words" will be made "FREE" from committing sin. Once again FREEdom. Clearly is not about "forgiveness" for committing sin.
Same applies here. Looking to other renderings of the Greek does not FOR YOU do the job of saying ---- "ANYTHING ELSE BUT FORGIVNESS."
This argument you have is similar to those Jews who insist that "virgin" in the prophecy can just mean a young women. It does not mean "NOT an unpenetrated woman".
Release does not eqaul - "NOT forgiveness".
Remission does not equal - NOT forgiveness".
Even Freedom does not equal for you - "NOT forgiveness".
You have no case.
In Matthew 20:28 Jesus uses the exact same word that He did in Luke 4:18. Somehow it makes sense to jaywill that Jesus used the exact same word to mean "FREEdom" in Luke 4 and "forgiveness" in Matthew 26. This despite the fact that "FREEdom" is also consistent with what Jesus had to say in John 8.
In John chapter 8 Jesus did not CONDEMN the woman (forgave) and that was INDEED a RELEASE of the woman. That is a major theme of the chapter.
Was the woman caught in the act of adultery not released and made free from the public stoning she was about to suffer? Do you think she would have argued with you ... "Oh no, no sir. I was not forgiven!"
" And Jesus stood up and said to her, Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?
And she said, No one, Lord. And Jesus said, Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more." (John 8:10,11)
She was:
forgiven,
absovled,
set free,
not condemned,
released,
made free, etc.
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Originally posted by @sonship... Go and sin no more Jesus said..In Luke 4:18, Jesus says, "HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES". Release as in FREEdom. Clearly it is not about "forgiveness".
it may read [b]"release" there. That it reads "not FORGIVENESS" is your wishful thinking.
The passage does not say for YOU "everything but [not] forgiveness".
The Year of Jubilee ...[text shortened]... e was:
forgiven,
absovled,
set free,
not condemned,
released,
made free, etc. [/b]
Therefore if she continues to sin then she will not be
forgiven,
absovled,
set free,
not condemned,
released,
made free, etc
Got it? Same with Christians. They are set forgiven, set free, etc. BUT if they continue to sin then they will have a give account. Nobody has eternal life security [except the chosen few in the time of Christ], not even Paul had that.
Originally posted by @rajk999Did Jesus say if she sins again she will not be
[b] ... Go and sin no more Jesus said..
Therefore if she continues to sin then she will not be
forgiven,
absovled,
set free,
not condemned,
released,
made free, etc
Got it? Same with Christians. They are set forgiven, set free, etc. BUT if they continue to sin then they will have a give account. Nobody has eternal life security [except the chosen few in the time of Christ], not even Paul had that.[/b]
forgiven,
absovled,
set free,
not condemned,
released,
made free, etc?
Why is my Bible missing that part?
Originally posted by @romans1009There is no guarantee of forgiveness like you claim. Jesus will judge. But some like you presumptuously proclaim that they are forever forgiven ...
Did Jesus say if she sins again she will not be
forgiven,
absovled,
set free,
not condemned,
released,
made free, etc?
Why is my Bible missing that part?
Originally posted by @rajk999Those who are in Christ Jesus - like me, praise the LORD! - will have their sins forgiven.
There is no guarantee of forgiveness like you claim. Jesus will judge. But some like you presumptuously proclaim that they are forever forgiven ...
“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
(1 John 1:8-10)
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Originally posted by @sonshipC'mon jaywill. You're not making any sense.In Luke 4:18, Jesus says, "HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES". Release as in FREEdom. Clearly it is not about "forgiveness".
it may read [b]"release" there. That it reads "not FORGIVENESS" is your wishful thinking.
The passage does not say for YOU "everything but [not] forgiveness".
The Year of Jubilee ...[text shortened]... e was:
forgiven,
absovled,
set free,
not condemned,
released,
made free, etc. [/b]
In Luke 4:18, Jesus says, "HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM RELEASE TO THE CAPTIVES".
Evidently jaywlll reads this as ""HE HAS SENT ME TO PROCLAIM [FORGIVENESS] TO THE CAPTIVES"
In John 8 Jesus says, "“If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”.
Evidently jaywill reads this as "“If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you [forgiven].”
It's utter nonsense - as are many other Christian beliefs. Nonsense that does not exist in the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. Christianity is built upon the sand of the gospel of others.
Originally posted by @romans1009Continue reading and you will see what a liar is :
Those who are in Christ Jesus - like me, praise the LORD! - will have their sins forgiven.
“If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.”
(1 John 1:8-10)
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1 John 2:1-4 KJV)
The liar is the one who says
he knows Christ
but who does not keep his commandments
Sounds like someone you know?
John says that you are a liar.
Originally posted by @rajk999The only way to reconcile the last two verses with the first two verses (not to mention the first chapter in 1 John) is by realizing that when we sin we break fellowship with God but that the fellowship can be restored through confession and repentance.
Continue reading and you will see what a liar is :
[i]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if ...[text shortened]... does not keep his commandments
Sounds like someone you know?
John says that you are a liar.
Here are some interesting verses further in chapter 2:
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”
(1 John 2:22-23)
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Originally posted by @rajk999People like Romans intentionally take 1 John 1:8-10 out of context.
Continue reading and you will see what a liar is :
[i]My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. And hereby we do know that we know him, if ...[text shortened]... does not keep his commandments
Sounds like someone you know?
John says that you are a liar.
1 John 1
5This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
6If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
First of all, 1 John 8-10 does NOT say that it's impossible to stop committing sin. It only says that everyone has sin that needs to be purified.
Secondly, only those who "walk in the light, as he is in the light" and do not "walk in the darkness" will be purified. One cannot logically both continue to commit sin and "walk in the light, as he is in the light". That would necessarily preclude those who continue to sin from being purified.
People like Romans intentionally take 1 John 1:8-10 out of context in an attempt to hide those facts. It's deceitful.
Their interpretation also flies in the face of the following:
1 John 3
4Everyone who sins breaks the law; in fact, sin is lawlessness.
5But you know that he appeared so that he might take away our sins. And in him is no sin.
6No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
7Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.
8The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work.
9No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
Originally posted by @rajk999Inspired by God to write what he wrote.
Sent to preach to the Gentiles ... Yes.
Can tell people they have eternal life .. NO!
The decision of who gets eternal life in the Kingdom of God
rests with Jesus Christ.
God gave Jesus that authority.
Did Jesus Christ pass on that authority to Paul .. NO.
Then where do some Christians get the idea that Paul said they have eternal life? Beats ...[text shortened]... ow if he himself has eternal life, and if he does not live righteously he can become a castaway.
You on the other hand are inspired by Satan as evidenced by what I quoted.
Originally posted by @thinkofone<<People like Romans intentionally take 1 John 1:8-10 out of context in an attempt to hide those facts. It's deceitful.>>
People like Romans intentionally take 1 John 1:8-10 out of context.
1 John 1
5This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
6If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the l ...[text shortened]... cause God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
What’s deceitful is you claiming to know my motives for anything. Christians who commit sin break fellowship with the Lord and need to repent and seek forgiveness to restore that fellowship and resume walking in the light. That’s all that passage is saying.
Your false doctrine is so convoluted you have essentially kept the Old Testament system but taken away the sacrifices to atone for sins, claiming no one can ever sin again. You totally ignore Christ’s deity and the purpose of His sacrifice on the cross and Resurrection that paved the way for God’s New Covenant with man.
You’re a Christ denier and there is no room for Jesus Christ in your false doctrine because you are trying to keep the Old Testament way of man relating to God by keeping rules and regulations. You totally miss the whole message of the New Testament because you deny Jesus Christ was/is God in the flesh despite all the evidence and Jesus Christ’s own words.
Here’s what John the Apostle had to say about Christ deniers:
“Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”
(1 John 2:22-23)
Originally posted by @thinkofone“Keeps on sinning,” “continues to sin,” etc. are not speaking of commiting a single sin or sinning infrequently. It’s talking about not abandoning the habit or lifestyle of sinning. In other words, it’s speaking about willful sinning and sinning without repentance.
People like Romans intentionally take 1 John 1:8-10 out of context.
1 John 1
5This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
6If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the l ...[text shortened]... cause God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.
You can’t just cherry pick verses and ignore other verses in the same book and even in the same chapter.
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Originally posted by @romans1009What part of the following didn't you understand?
<<People like Romans intentionally take 1 John 1:8-10 out of context in an attempt to hide those facts. It's deceitful.>>
What’s deceitful is you claiming to know my motives for anything. Christians who commit sin break fellowship with the Lord and need to repent and seek forgiveness to restore that fellowship and resume walking in the light. That’s a ...[text shortened]... me hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.”
(1 John 2:22-23)
1 John 1
5This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all.
6If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth.
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
8If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
10If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.
First of all, 1 John 8-10 does NOT say that it's impossible to stop committing sin. It only says that everyone has sin that needs to be purified.
Secondly, only those who "walk in the light, as he is in the light" and do not "walk in the darkness" will be purified. One cannot logically both continue to commit sin and "walk in the light, as he is in the light". That would necessarily preclude those who continue to sin from being purified.
People like Romans intentionally take 1 John 1:8-10 out of context in an attempt to hide those facts. It's deceitful.
You’re a Christ denier and there is no room for Jesus Christ in your false doctrine because you are trying to keep the Old Testament way of man relating to God by keeping rules and regulations. You totally miss the whole message of the New Testament because you deny Jesus Christ was/is God in the flesh despite all the evidence and Jesus Christ’s own words.
Setting aside the fact that you've once again misrepresented my position, I'm hardly a "Christ denier". What I deny is the gospel that you believe in which is at odds with the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.