The Eternal Son of God

@sonship said
I have had plenty debates with a Jewish person who regards NT references to OT passages to be illegitimate.

As a matter of interest, do you tell that 'Jewish person' that the Abrahamic God is going to throw her into a "Lake of Fire" and that you believe she - and all Jews - deserve it, morally speaking?

@sonship said
If you remember poster Dasa, you should remember that he debated Christians about the nature of honesty and truth and such deeper issues of spiritual life.

Do you really think he did? I thought he just made assertions day after day that Christians were willfully dishonest and that Muslims should be exterminated unless they converted to Hinduism. Did you really think Dasa "debated" anyone on "deeper issues"? I never once saw him do that with you.

@sonship said
Moslem's debate with Christians and vica versa because both the New Testament and the Quran talk about Jesus.

You are telling me KellyJay does this?

@fmf said
You'd get more or less the same sense of purpose and meaning in life and a similar solace in the face of the inevitability of your death from subscribing to religions like Islam, Judaism and Hinduism.

No, you keep thinking that everyone’s faith is nothing but a meaningless mental experience limited to our minds. This would put all beliefs towards the acceptances of any and all gods on par with their rejection as well. You think it’s all void of truth except in the eyes of the beholder.

You were created to be in the very imagine of God who is timeless and eternal. You have reduced yourself to a petty shell filled only with self delusions by your own standards. You have been made for so much more!

@fmf said
The trouble with your utterly parochial and self centred view of you and your God is that there are literally billions and billions of people who aren't members of your religion. Do you really believe that they are going to be tossed into a "Lake of Fire" and suffer "eternal torment" for not having the same belief in the Jesus story that you have?

No I am no different than anyone else nothing about me is important towards anyone’s salvation. Jesus Christ is the truth without Him we would all die in our sins. That is why Jesus Christ became a man who would die for our sins, the sinless for sinners.

Do you believe He died for our sins, than rose from the dead? If so why would He do that?

@kellyjay said
No, you keep thinking that everyone’s faith is nothing but a meaningless mental experience limited to our minds.

I have never once said that I think people's religious faith is "meaningless". Not once in ten years or more. Indeed, I have acknowledged time and time again that it is meaningful to the believers and that it can and does has real impacts on people's lives.

@kellyjay said
You have reduced yourself to a petty shell filled only with self delusions by your own standards.

"A petty shell"? I don't think this is true at all. And I don't think my belief that you and I [and every human being] are going to die and my belief that that will be the end of that can be described as a "delusions".

@kellyjay said
No, you keep thinking that everyone’s faith is nothing but a meaningless mental experience limited to our minds.

Don't you, like me, believe that Islamic and Hindu beliefs [for example] held my adherents to those religions are 'mental experiences limited to their minds'?

@kellyjay said
That is why Jesus Christ became a man who would die for our sins, the sinless for sinners.Do you believe He died for our sins, than rose from the dead?

No. I don't. But if this belief you have helps you to rationalize what you repeatedly describe as your own "evil and wickedness" [by telling yourself you are "forgiven"] and if your belief that Jesus Christ "became a man" who died for your "sins" helps you to come to terms with the fact that your life is finite [by convincing yourself that you will experience everlasting life] then that's good for you, I'm sure.

It doesn't affect anyone around you though, does it, if they are non-believers?

I mean, I don't get any solace or purpose in life from knowing that you believe the things you do. So, your beliefs are all about you, and you only.

@fmf said
I went to bed in a way that accorded with the conventional imperatives of my time zone.

@secondson said
It appears the heat got too high in this thread. Did divegeester and FMF retreat to their council chamber to strategize together their plans of fomentations?

@FMF said
I went to bed in a way that accorded with the conventional imperatives of my time zone.

I know that. No need to go on the defensive. Seriously, how would I know that you two are 'strategizing together'? It was only bantering. If you can believe that.

@kellyjay said
You think it’s all void of truth except in the eyes of the beholder.

I think the veracity all claims about a god or gods revealing themselves and issuing instructions to human beings are "in the eyes of the beholder". You seem to think I should set aside what jjust so happens to be your religion and look at it as being different from the thousands of other gods/religions there have been, and ones like Hinduism, Judaism, Islam etc.

@secondson said
@secondson said
It appears the heat got too high in this thread. Did divegeester and FMF retreat to their council chamber to strategize together their plans of fomentations?

@FMF said
I went to bed in a way that accorded with the conventional imperatives of my time zone.

I know that. No need to go on the defensive. Seriously, how would I know that you two are 'strategizing together'? It was only bantering. If you can believe that.

The only "retreat" I made was to my bed after feeding the cats. I don't remember there being any "heat" in the discussion that was going on. If you do, well then, so be it.

@kellyjay said
No I am no different than anyone else nothing about me is important towards anyone’s salvation.

Do you actually believe that billions and billions of people who aren't members of your religion are going to be tossed into a "Lake of Fire" and suffer "eternal torment" by the Abrahamic God ~ for not being members of your religion?

@fmf said
I have never once said that I think people's religious faith is "meaningless". Not once in ten years or more. Indeed, I have acknowledged time and time again that it is meaningful to the believers and that it can and does has real impacts on people's lives.

The mind can not create reality only offer opinions and make choices. If all truth rests in the mind, it is all self generated, it would become a pathetic self centered creature. The exact thing Satan lied to Eve about when he got her to reject God.

Your beliefs reduce god and reality to human imaginations, the most self centered delusions there are. Your meaning only comes from human imagination that can never rise above man’s limitations and are chained to our most horrific desires. All faiths spring from the same sources according to you, and none can be any more meaningful than the next.

The power hungry, the selfless, the rapist, the pure, and so on no better no worse than the next. You do say that they are meaningless when you compare them all to equal truth and hold them all with equal value.

Value is only for what is prized above something else, which isn’t true with you, all values are now reduced to each person’s personal preference! We go back to the power hungry and the selfless are just a choices made by one mind here and another there, popularity not justice would rule. You have the most self centered belief system that there is as your beliefs only come from within ourselves according to you!

@kellyjay said
The mind can not create reality only offer opinions and make choices.

I acknowledge that you are merely offering me your opinions about reality. I really do acknowledge what you are doing. Armed with all the certainty and sincerity in the world, your mind cannot turn the "Lake of Fire" and "everlasting life" into a reality.