@kellyjay saidAll conjecture regarding unprovable claims about supernatural beings and phenomena - regardless of whether you refer to them as "truth" or not - it's a whole area of contemplation that "rests in the mind" one hundred percent. I have never referred to Christians, Jews, Muslims or Hindus as "pathetic self-centred creatures" on account of their religious beliefs.
If all truth rests in the mind, it is all self generated, it would become a pathetic self centered creature.
@kellyjay saidI am calling it how I see it. And I don't want to know what your "most horrific desires" are. It's enough for me that you assert over and over again that you are "evil and wicked". I don't want to know the details.
Your beliefs reduce god and reality to human imaginations, the most self centered delusions there are. Your meaning only comes from human imagination that can never rise above man’s limitations and are chained to our most horrific desires.
@kellyjay saidAll faiths spring from a blend of anthropology and psychology. All faiths represent a part of human culture. How "meaningful" religious faith is to an individual will vary from person to a person. I can't say that your faith is any more or less meaningful to you than my neighbour's Islamic faith is to him. It depends on the individual.
All faiths spring from the same sources according to you, and none can be any more meaningful than the next.
@kellyjay saidYou believe [1] you are "forgiven" for all your "evil and wickedness" because you think/believe certain things, [2] you believe you will be rewarded with everlasting life because of these thoughts/beliefs, and [3] you believe people who are not Christians like you will be subjected to "eternal torment" in a "Lake of Fire" and deservedly so. You have no business lecturing anyone on how "self-centred" their belief system is!
You have the most self centered belief system that there is as your beliefs only come from within ourselves according to you!
@secondson saidThe 'sounds like' only appeared after his edit. In his original message he called him an idiot directly.
But sir, sonship said divegeester "sounds" like an idiot. He didn't actually call him an idiot.
Are you cool with that?
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As a matter of interest, do you tell that 'Jewish person' that the Abrahamic God is going to throw her into a "Lake of Fire" and that you believe she - and all Jews - deserve it, morally speaking?
I advise people to read all of the Bible. By taking in the whole revelation they will get a good balanced view of His will.
The Holy Spirit is working in the background to speak expressly and personally to the person's heart the things God wants them to know and at the time He wants it, like the wise Father that He is.
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Do you really think he did? I thought he just made assertions day after day that Christians were willfully dishonest and that Muslims should be exterminated unless they converted to Hinduism. Did you really think Dasa "debated" anyone on "deeper issues"? I never once saw him do that with you.
If I recall right Dasa had debates with me. He did assert. As we all do. But he portrayed himself as REALLY understanding what those Christians believe.
I had a similar attitude when I was into Zen Buddhism. I thought that the believers in Jesus really didn't understand what Jesus was saying. And I was "deeper" or "less naive" to be able to help them understand what was really going on with God -or "their god figure".
Hindus and Christians debate.
Ravi Zacharias was brought up in Hinduism and very succinctly discusses how these debates can sometimes go.
You're not interested. But someone reading may be, to hear Ravi Zacharias.
Ravi Zacharias on Buddhism & Hinduism
How to Reach Out to Hinduism - Sermon by Dr Ravi Zacharias
@sonship saidThank you for typing that. My question was this: do you tell that 'Jewish person' that the Abrahamic God is going to throw her into a "Lake of Fire" and that you believe she - and all Jews - deserve it, morally speaking?
I advise people to read all of the Bible. By taking in the whole revelation they will get a good balanced view of His will.
The Holy Spirit is working in the background to speak expressly and personally to the person's heart the things God wants them to know and at the time He wants it, like the wise Father that He is.
@sonship saidNo, he didn't. You are utterly mistaken. Dasa? Gosh. I think what may have happened is that he made some nutty fascistic-Hindu extremist assertion and then you posted 6 or 7 or 10 times in a row, reams of stuff, not directly addressing anything Dasa had said, and that went unaddressed by him, and you walked away telling yourself that your oblivious monologues had constituted a "deep" discussion with Dasa.
If I recall right Dasa had debates with me. He did assert. As we all do. But he portrayed himself as REALLY understanding what those Christians believe.
@fmf saidNo I believe sinners will be cast into Hell due to their sins, and for that matter there will be those cast in who knew the truth and still sinned keeping themselves away from God and Christ.
Do you actually believe that billions and billions of people who aren't members of your religion are going to be tossed into a "Lake of Fire" and suffer "eternal torment" by the Abrahamic God ~ for not being members of your religion?
Judgment will start in the house of the Lord. Those who masqueraded within the church will pay most dearly, the Atheist who did a sin and the unrepentant pastor who did the same sin, the pastor is guilty of so much more, because he smeared God’s name where the Atheist didn’t have the same knowledge. All sinners outside of Jesus Christ are going to an eternal Hell.
You knew what my answer was going to be before you asked. My dislike of that will not change anything, just because I think it’s horrible if true. My feelings don’t alter truth! There are a lot of evil bad things taking place on this planet I dislike they don’t cease because I find them evil. 😢
@fmf saidI believe I am forgiven due to God’s grace through faith, it is a gift from God, not a made up fantasy as you portray it only residing in my mind.
You believe [1] you are "forgiven" for all your "evil and wickedness" because you think/believe certain things, [2] you believe you will be rewarded with everlasting life because of these thoughts/beliefs, and [3] you believe people who are not Christians like you will be subjected to "eternal torment" in a "Lake of Fire" and deservedly so. You have no business lecturing anyone on how "self-centred" their belief system is!