The Eternal Son of God

@fmf said
I acknowledge that you are merely offering me your opinions about reality. I really do acknowledge what you are doing. Armed with all the certainty and sincerity in the world, your mind cannot turn the "Lake of Fire" and "everlasting life" into a reality.

True but I never claimed it was me doing it, me creating the Lake of Fire, me seeing the evil and wickedness of man that would call for such an outcome.

I don’t design the reality we in, the truth of it isn’t altered by my feelings! The only people who do that are those who make it up as they go are like minded as you.

@fmf said
Don't you, like me, believe that Islamic and Hindu beliefs [for example] held my adherents to those religions are 'mental experiences limited to their minds'?

I think there is but one truth when it comes to God and He is not me, but Jesus Christ. He is the only one that matters not me, not my church. I didn’t create Him, He created everything and holds it all together by the power of His Word.

@kellyjay said
No I believe sinners will be cast into Hell due to their sins, and for that matter there will be those cast in who knew the truth and still sinned keeping themselves away from God and Christ.

No?

So you DON'T believe that the billions and billions of people who aren't Christians are going to be tossed into a "Lake of Fire" and suffer "eternal torment" at the hands of the Abrahamic God?

Good.

You seemed to have jettisoned at least part of your morally incomprehensible creed.

@kellyjay said
All sinners outside of Jesus Christ are going to an eternal Hell.

Oh, so... wait... you DO believe that the billions and billions of people who aren't Christians are going to be tossed into a "Lake of Fire" by the Abrahamic God?

We're back to that.

@kellyjay said
I believe I am forgiven due to God’s grace through faith, it is a gift from God, not a made up fantasy as you portray it only residing in my mind.

And people who conscientiously worship other god figures - other than yours - you believe they deserve the "Lake of Fire"?

@kellyjay said
True but I never claimed it was me doing it, me creating the Lake of Fire, me seeing the evil and wickedness of man that would call for such an outcome.

Has someone claimed that the "Lake of Fire" is something you created?

@fmf said
No. I don't. But if this belief you have helps you to rationalize what you repeatedly describe as your own "evil and wickedness" [by telling yourself you are "forgiven"] and if your belief that Jesus Christ "became a man" who died for your "sins" helps you to come to terms with the fact that your life is finite [by convincing yourself that you will experience everlasting life] th ...[text shortened]... e from knowing that you believe the things you do. So, your beliefs are all about you, and you only.

True if the truth I proclaim is strictly limited to my brain and thought life, where it simply creates my world view to walk out in faith.

That is not truth but an opinion!

What you are doing is still limiting reality to what our minds come up with. We live in a universe outside of our minds that we are trying to comprehend, it is something else not made by our hands that doesn’t change because of our mental processes.

We also live and die in it by making mistakes with how we think things are! Then cry and murmur when things occur that are not to our liking.

You can be mistaken about so many things that are of little consequences, or great ones carrying the greatest consequences!

@kellyjay said
I think there is but one truth when it comes to God and He is not me, but Jesus Christ. He is the only one that matters not me, not my church. I didn’t create Him, He created everything and holds it all together by the power of His Word.

But your Muslim and Hindu and Jewish theist counterparts didn't create their religions either. They also sincerely believe "there is but one truth when it comes to God" - or Gods in the case of Hindus. What exactly is - in your view - their moral failure that they "deserve" to be tortured for eternity?

@fmf said
And people who conscientiously worship other god figures - other than yours - you believe they deserve the "Lake of Fire"?

You should read the answers already given to you on that topic.

@kellyjay said
True if the truth I proclaim is strictly limited to my brain and thought life, where it simply creates my world view to walk out in faith.

That is not truth but an opinion!

What you are doing is still limiting reality to what our minds come up with. We live in a universe outside of our minds that we are trying to comprehend, it is something else not made by our hands ...[text shortened]... ut so many things that are of little consequences, or great ones carrying the greatest consequences!

Why does someone who doesn't believe all this stuff you are typing "deserve" to be punished?

@kellyjay said
You should read the answers already given to you on that topic.

What do you think they are guilty of?

@kellyjay said
What you are doing is still limiting reality to what our minds come up with. We live in a universe outside of our minds that we are trying to comprehend, it is something else not made by our hands that doesn’t change because of our mental processes.

Any religionist can recite stuff like this. Any religionist from any religious tradition.

@kellyjay said
We also live and die in it by making mistakes with how we think things are! Then cry and murmur when things occur that are not to our liking.

I am not "crying and murmuring" about anything. As for death, I accept its inevitability. I am at peace with it. So I am not "crying and murmuring" about that either. We "live and die", like you say, it's true. Who is "crying and murmuring" about that in your view? Why have you suddenly introduced the notion of people "crying and murmuring"?

@fmf said
Oh, so... wait... you DO believe that the billions and billions of people who aren't Christians are going to be tossed into a "Lake of Fire" by the Abrahamic God?

We're back to that.

You are being obtuse, it should be below you.