@fmf saidYou've used this obtuse hypocritical dodge before.
You should argue with proponents of torturer god ideology directly and not use an atheist as a proxy.
I replied to YOUR questions in YOUR post. Just goes to show YOU haven't the intellectual integrity it takes to be an honest debate opponent.
And as with yours and divegeester's posts above, and throughout these threads, you two have proven yourselves to be nothing more than a tag team prowling around this forum with nothing better to do because neither one of you knows what he's talking about.
Slash, lash and burn is all you know.
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@secondson saidI am not dodging the torturer god ideology at all. I've been tackling it head on for years. But here you are using an atheist as a proxy to express your disagreement with the ideology's proponents. If there's any dodging going on, it's yours. I am not going to defend the torturer god ideology. You are disagreeing about it and debating with the wrong poster.
You've used this obtuse hypocritical dodge before.
Divegeester,
Why did I bring up the issue of your charge of plagiarism in a post on another subject completely ?
Because you have been a bad influence on me.
Meaning returning to old arguments ad nauseum.
I picked up some of your bad habits unfortunately, and have to be careful not to be influenced by things you regularly do. - hijack threads, revisit old arguments., remind posters of old charges, etc.
You've been a bad influence on me.
The Eternal Son of God
My next few posts will sow from Colossians particularly that we should not think of the Son of God's "office" as being terminated.
A section at a time. First Colossians 1:15-17).
[Christ] Who is the image of the invisible God, Firstborn of all creation, (v15)
Because in Him were all things created in the heavens and on the earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or lordships pr rulers or authorities; all things have been created through HIm and unto Him; (v.16)
And He is before all things, and all things subsist together in Him; (v.17)
What reason would Divegeester give us to believe -
1.) After the Son delivers up the kingdom to His God and Father- He NO LONGER occupies the "office" of "the Firstborn of all creation" ?
2.) After the Son delivers up the kingdom to His God and Father - the Son is NO LONGER the One through whom and for whom all things were created?
3.) After the Son delivers up the kingdom to His God and Father - the Son NO LONGER is the One UNTO Whom all things were created ?
4.) After the Son delivers up the kingdom to His God and Father - the Son NO LONGER enjoys the "office" of being "before all things" ?
5.) After the Son delivers up the kingdom to His God and Father - the Son NO LONGER occupies the "office" of being the One in whom all things subsist together ?
Divegeester, can you prove that these "offices" concerning the Son of God are to be terminated at some time in the future?
@sonship saidYou believe it was divegeester's fault that you mentioned your plagiarism on this thread?
@divegeesterOh I see.... it's MY fault !!
You're making that up.
I said you have been a bad influence on me.
I take responsibility for letting that happen.
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-Removed-Okay then for these SIX points this is not what you mean by the Son's office is relinquished.
Fine, I did not understand what you meant then. But let us go on.
"And He is the Head of the body the church; who is the beginning, Firstborn from among the dead, that He might have the first place in all things.
For in Him all the fullness was pleased to dwell. " (vs. 18-19)
1.) Do you mean that after the Son delivers up the kingdom He NO LONGER has the "office" being "the Head of the Body" ?
2.) Do you mean that after the Son delivers up the kingdom the Son NO LONGER is "the beginning" as an "office" ?
3.) Do you mean that after the Son delivers up the kingdom to His God and Father the Son NO LONGER has an "office" of having "the first place in all things" ?
4.) Do you mean after the Son delivers up the kingdom He no longer has the office of being "Firstborn from the dead" ?
5.) So you mean that after the Son delivers up the kingdom to His God and Father the Son NO LONGER is the One in whom "all the fullness was pleased to dwell" ?