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@sonship saidI also saw those strange posts by a non-chess player with a pretentious name ... Watchman something or Witness something... a person clearly addressing you pompously and curtly as if he were your supervisor and you were being obsequious and fawning as if you were being monitored or tested by someone either with authority over you or some kind of psychological hold over you.
@divegeesterThese sort of silly quips don’t do you any favours Josephw.
Do you mean, something like - "What authoritarian officer is monitoring you here sonship ? Who is policing you here as you write ?"
Do you mean some kind of silly quip like that ?
You blanked out questions about it at the time. It was a peculiar episode.
A year or two ago.
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@sonship saidJesus said He did the will of the Father, He was led by the Spirit, He lived purely as
@KellyJayKeep in mind a few things
KellyJay, I "keep in mind" many things. But usually if I wrote more than one or two things in mind, the post is too long.
first being Jesus became a man and lived as one with all
of the limitations that men have.
Yes. He is really Emanuel - "God with us" . Yet also [b]"a man of sor ...[text shortened]... ith dramatic distinction. At other times the blending is so seamless we can only say we see God-man.
a man. That is not saying He didn't have a divine nature that He wasn't God. He
was without a doubt both, for our sake He humbled Himself to be like us. If He
acted as His divine nature allowed Him too, He could not have been tempted as
us, He did defeat Satan and over came the world as one of us.
His obedience to the Father through the Holy Spirit is no different than we are to
live. After the Holy Spirit fell on 120 many of them went out did the same type
of miracle works He did as recorded in scripture, and many it never shows that
they did any.
Changing the subject a little, from when He walked among us, to what He did and
what that means for us now.
Mark 15:38
And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom.
Exodus 26:33
And you shall hang the veil from the clasps, and bring the ark of the testimony in there within the veil. And the veil shall separate for you the Holy Place from the Most Holy.
Being cleaned by His blood, having Him sitting at the right hand of the Father,
this of late is something the Lord has been putting on my heart.
What kept man from God was our sin, in the Old Testament temple what kept man
from the Most Holy place was that veil. When Christ died that veil was torn from
top to bottom (Heaven to earth) letting us know that we can now approach God.
We can do it without fear knowing the price had been paid for our sins, we can do
it with full assurance He will hear our prayers.
I think our great loss today is that we don't spend as much time there as we can.
Prayer, sanctification of our hearts need to be a much greater priority in our lives,
as these last days unfold, for we are warned that the love of many will wax cold.
The only thing keeping us from Him now is our desires and love of our old lives,
the world, and the devil. Yet why should any of those stand in the way when all we
have to do is pray, and pray without ceasing as we are actually told too.
Matthew 24:11-13 English Standard Version (ESV)
11 And many false prophets will arise and lead many astray. 12 And because lawlessness will be increased, the love of many will grow cold. 13 But the one who endures to the end will be saved.
1 Thessalonians 5:16-18 English Standard Version (ESV)
16 Rejoice always, 17 pray without ceasing, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.
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That wasn’t a quip, it was a truthful question based on what I and others saw in this forum a while ago.
You can pretend it didn’t happen of course, but several of us saw you being coached by a poster who turned up and then abruptly left.
So now any poster sends me a PM of encouragement or agrees with me is a monitor or policeman coaching me on organization dogma?
This accusation isn't even worth the trouble to argue over.
I TOLD YOU, if you had a complaint where you could send it when you viciously accused me of plagiarism.
Had you done so instead of just belching hot air MAYBE someone would have stopped by to check out what was being written.
As far as I know, no person other than random other Christians coming in and out from time to time have bothered to look here.
@fmf saidI think maybe you're right, but I honestly don't know any Christian posters here that hold to the "torturer god ideology" per se.
You should argue with proponents of torturer god ideology directly and not use an atheist as a proxy.
And I would debate them on that because I really don't believe it's in the Bible that those who are confined to "outer darkness", "lake of fire" or "hell", are or will, suffer physical "torture " or "torment" forever.
I'll direct your attention to this particular verse; Luke 16:24 - And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
This isn't a parable. The rich man said, " for I am tormented in this flame". Not by this flame. Whether the "flame" is metaphorical or not, whatever it is, the man is in it, and tormented, but not by it.
It seems obvious by the grammar that the man isn't on fire and burning alive. That's a hideous thought. It's bad enough just to be experiencing torment much less adding to it physical pain and torture. Nowhere in scripture, that I know of, does it say anything about physical pain and torture inflicted on any individual by the God of the Bible.
I don't know God that way. The scriptures don't depict God that way.
On the other hand Moloch is that way. To living children. How can people worship such a god? Frying a baby on a super heated statue of an idol and hearing the child scream in agony.
But the fact remains, the day of judgment will come, and if one's name isn't found in the book of life that one will be separated from the life of God forever. I can't imagine anything more horrible.
The Word of God is word specific, inerrant and infallible, not "one jot or one tittle" is wrong. That's how I read the book. I don't add to it or take away one word from the narrative. I try to understand what it's saying to me without injecting my own ideas about what it means. The book speaks its own mind.
Jesus said He did the will of the Father, He was led by the Spirit, He lived purely as a man. That is not saying He didn't have a divine nature that He wasn't God. He was without a doubt both, for our sake He humbled Himself to be like us. If He acted as His divine nature allowed Him too, He could not have been tempted as us, He did defeat Satan and over came the world as one of us.
Right.
And His living was FOR us so that what He is could be dispensed INTO us.
Therefore "the last Adam became a life giving Spirit"
Now His victorious life and living is AVAILABLE for forgiven sinners to live by.
His obedience to the Father through the Holy Spirit is no different than we are to live. After the Holy Spirit fell on 120 many of them went out did the same type of miracle works He did as recorded in scripture, and many it never shows that they did any.
Changing the subject a little, from when He walked among us, to what He did and what that means for us now.
Mark 15:38
And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom.
Exodus 26:33
And you shall hang the veil from the clasps, and bring the ark of the testimony in there within the veil. And the veil shall separate for you the Holy Place from the Most Holy.
Being cleaned by His blood, having Him sitting at the right hand of the Father, this of late is something the Lord has been putting on my heart.
What kept man from God was our sin, in the Old Testament temple what kept man from the Most Holy place was that veil. When Christ died that veil was torn from top to bottom (Heaven to earth) letting us know that we can now approach God. We can do it without fear knowing the price had been paid for our sins, we can do it with full assurance He will hear our prayers.
I say "Amen" to all of this.
-Removed-Well, you won't like this either divegeester, but I believe I've gone beyond the point where I can take you seriously anymore.
Unless you can move ahead and get past the point of being verbally nasty and subjectively critical of every little personal issue you have against Christians posting in this forum.
It's coming across in the tone of your posts that you're progressing from disdain to something more virulent.
What I try to do is create a rough draft of what I want to say, and then think critically about how what I wrote addresses the topic and not another's character or personal foibles that grate against me. I'll rewrite and edit the post till I feel it's ready for public view.
But I'm only human, and I sometimes get carried away in the heat of battle and say things I wish I could take back.
Like probably this whole post.
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I also saw those strange posts by a non-chess player with a pretentious name ... Watchman something or Witness something... a person clearly addressing you pompously and curtly as if he were your supervisor
FMF, I do not recall this at all.
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Now I do recall a young brother from the Philippines by the name of Kevin Lee (I think). He met with one of the local churches in the Philippines. We had some mutual encouragement.
I am probably old enough to be his father. And he was way too active on Facebook and other social media for my old fashion ways to keep in touch.
Now I never considered brother Kevin as a supervisor. Oh, NOW I remember an incident. Now I recall -
Once I asked him about something I was writing. I asked his opinion. And yes he did say he thought it was a waste of time to argue about something.
Alright, is that what you guys are chit chatting about ?
Well that was me asking another young brother who was probably younger than my own son, what he thought about some line of argument.
Now just as I was writing this post, the remembrance of brother Kevin came back to me.
No guys. Kevin was not any kind of supervisor. I loved the brother. His English was not his mother tongue.
And he invited me to go to another forum where he frequented, and write. Which I did for awhile.
and you were being obsequious and fawning as if you were being monitored or tested by someone either with authority over you or some kind of psychological hold over you.
LOL !!!
"Subject yourselves to one another in the fear of Christ" (Eph. 5:21)
And again First Peter 5:5
Berean Study Bible
Young men, in the same way, submit yourselves to your elders. And all of you, clothe yourselves with humility toward one another, because, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
You guys are a trip.
Okay Dive, I can see how maybe you misinterpreted this incident as me being policed. And I will remove the more insulting part of my last post.
Not that I think it will improve you attitude.
You blanked out questions about it at the time. It was a peculiar episode.
A year or two ago.
Now IF I WAS being checked by someone, let's say, senior in some way to myself - is that in and of itself wrong ?
That was not what was going on. But if I did get help - that PROVES ____________ ???
No love?
A cult?
A police state?
I'm brainwashed?
JIm Jones style I am about to commit mass suicide like "The People's Temple".
I mean IF SOMEONE DID ... check and advise me, that PROVES exactly WHAT ???
@sonship saidThere was something creepy and cultish about it. That's how it came across.
@FMF
I also saw those strange posts by a non-chess player with a pretentious name ... Watchman something or Witness something... a person clearly addressing you pompously and curtly as if he were your supervisor
FMF, I do not recall this at all.
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Now I do recall a young brother fro ...[text shortened]... he People's Temple".
I mean IF SOMEONE DID ... check and advise me, that PROVES exactly WHAT ???
@secondson saidLike I said, you should argue with proponents of torturer god ideology directly and not use an atheist like me as some kind of a proxy. If you don't think there are any proponents of torturer god ideology, then so be it. There is no point arguing with someone who thinks it's nonsense.
I think maybe you're right, but I honestly don't know any Christian posters here that hold to the "torturer god ideology" per se.
And I would debate them on that because I really don't believe it's in the Bible that those who are confined to "outer darkness", "lake of fire" or "hell", are or will, suffer physical "torture " or "torment" forever.
I'll direct your atten ...[text shortened]... it's saying to me without injecting my own ideas about what it means. The book speaks its own mind.
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We’ve been over this so many times sonship; I’m not interested in “complaining”. What is of interest is your propensity to take ideas originating from other writers and repackage them here as your own.
Umm, how many times did you mention or innuendo that I was plagiarizing? Not just once or twice over the years.
take ideas originating from other writers and repackage them here as your own.
Say in chess, a grandmaster shows you some winning strategies. You kind of, sort of had an idea about them. But someone more experienced really crystallized it, made it very clear.
If works for you. And you try to pass on some of the wisdom to others so they too may benefit. Invariably it is somewhat wrapped in your own experience and perhaps your own expressions of the essential strategies.
You mention where you got some help without the slightest reservation. And some guy looking for something to criticize needles you -
"You're not original dude. You're showing off this stuff as your own when So and So had these methods before you."
I mean huge, big fat hairy deal !! Every post does not end in " Look at me everybody. I can be so original."
Umm go see if you can learn what this means in the NT. Paul to Timothy -
New American Standard Bible
The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, entrust these to faithful men who will be able to teach others also. (2 Tim. 2:2)
@sonship saidYou were called out for plagiarizing the hung out on chains as a warning to space aliens thing from some Italian writer. It was not "innuendo". You were called out. You denied it. You lashed out. You finally admitted it. It was plagiarism on your part.
Umm, how many times did you mention or innuendo that I was plagiarizing?