21 Oct 18
In the Bible.
"Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"
Genesis 3:1
But that isn't a question. It's an insinuation.
The first question is; "Where art thou?"
Genesis 3:9
Are you hiding from God, naked and afraid, covering yourself with fig leaves of excuses?
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
Deuteronomy 6:5
What's your excuse for not obeying the commandment of your maker?
21 Oct 18
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@secondson saidI am not convinced I have a "maker" in the way you perceive one. I don't see any good reason to believe you know anything about any "commandments" that such a "maker" has communicated to us.
What's your excuse for not obeying the commandment of your maker?
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@fmf saidThe legitimacy of his claim to my way of thinking has no reliance whatsoever on whether or not you are convinced by them or not.
I am not convinced I have a "maker" in the way you perceive one. I don't see any good reason to believe you know anything about any "commandments" that such a "maker" has communicated to us.
You could be convinced by a lie or lack belief in the truth. Your convictions or lack of them have no bearing on the truth.
@secondson saidWhat's your excuse for not obeying the commandment of your maker?
In the Bible.
"Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"
Genesis 3:1
But that isn't a question. It's an insinuation.
The first question is; "Where art thou?"
Genesis 3:9
Are you hiding from God, naked and afraid, covering yourself with fig leaves of excuses?
And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all ...[text shortened]... thy might.
Deuteronomy 6:5
What's your excuse for not obeying the commandment of your maker?
Two beliefs held by many Christians play a major role in not obeying:
1) Ceasing to sin is not required for "salvation" / "eternal life" / living in the Kingdom / receiving the "spirit of truth" / being "born again".
2) Ceasing to sin is not possible for any given human being.
Neither belief is true according to the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
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"Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?"
Genesis 3:1
The tone is -
"Right. Are you being limited by God in ANY way ?
Your potential for something more is being withheld from you by God.
Now if you follow me, I will liberate you to reach your full potential . God's heart is not good towards you. Me though, I will see to it that NO limitation whatsoever will be on your greatness."
21 Oct 18
@thinkofone saidDo you have anything to say relevant to the OP?
Two beliefs held by many Christians play a major role in not obeying:
1) Ceasing to sin is not required for "salvation" / "eternal life" / living in the Kingdom / receiving the "spirit of truth" / being "born again".
2) Ceasing to sin is not possible for any given human being.
Neither belief is true according to the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
21 Oct 18
@fmf saidEvery hair on your head is numbered. Not counted, but numbered. God knows your every thought, and still He loves you.
I am not convinced I have a "maker" in the way you perceive one. I don't see any good reason to believe you know anything about any "commandments" that such a "maker" has communicated to us.
You way underestimate who and what God is.
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21 Oct 18
@secondson saidToO is not only hiding his beliefs from God, he is hiding them from his fellow human beings.
Do you have anything to say relevant to the OP?
@secondson saidSo God actually “numbers” the hairs on FMF’s head, knows his every thought and he loves him despite his sin and apostasy.
Every hair on your head is numbered. Not counted, but numbered. God knows your every thought, and still He loves you.
You way underestimate who and what God is.
But if FMF doesn’t find his faith again, this version of God will put him in hell and personally torture him with flames while deliberately keeping him alive for eternity?
Wow. Will he have the sword (of Revelation 19) coming forth from his mouth and be wearing multiple crowns on his head while he’s doing the torturing?
21 Oct 18
@secondson saidYes I know you believe this kind of stuff but I can't be disobeying "commandments" I don't believe exist. You know that as well as I do. I have answered your OP question head on.
Every hair on your head is numbered. Not counted, but numbered. God knows your every thought, and still He loves you.YYeou way underestimate who and what God is.
21 Oct 18
@ghost-of-a-duke saidToO WHO?
ToO is not only hiding his beliefs from God, he is hiding them from his fellow human beings.
😉
21 Oct 18
@fmf saidExistentialism anyone?
Yes I know you believe this kind of stuff but I can't be disobeying "commandments" I don't believe exist. You know that as well as I do. I have answered your OP question head on.
God, and His commandments, exists independent of what you believe.
Grapple with it all you want, and hide behind the facade of statements of unbelief, but you will never escape the reality of God that exists to your very core.
God knows where you are, but demonstrates His grace by gently asking "where art thou", FMF?
21 Oct 18
@proper-knob saidYes He is. Too simple. 🤔
@SecondSon
Your God is not my 'maker'. Simple.
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