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    21 Oct '18 12:21
    @proper-knob said
    @SecondSon

    'That which is presented without evidence can be dismissed without evidence' - Hitch.
    The evidence is all around you. Very simple.
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    @secondson said
    Existentialism anyone?

    God, and His commandments, exists independent of what you believe.

    Grapple with it all you want, and hide behind the facade of statements of unbelief, but you will never escape the reality of God that exists to your very core.

    God knows where you are, but demonstrates His grace by gently asking "where art thou", FMF?
    I can't be disobeying "commandments" I don't believe exist. 
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    21 Oct '18 12:25
    @fmf said
    I can't be disobeying "commandments" I don't believe exist. 
    You can, whether you believe they exist or not.
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    21 Oct '18 12:26
    @SecondSon

    Do tell.
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    21 Oct '18 12:28
    @secondson said
    You can, whether you believe they exist or not.
    Surely you had something less clumsy than this kind of thing in mind when you asked your OP question?
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    @secondson said
    Do you have anything to say relevant to the OP?
    You asked the following:
    <<What's your excuse for not obeying the commandment of your maker?>>

    I provided two beliefs that many Christians hold that serve as excuses for those who do not obey:
    Two beliefs held by many Christians play a major role in not obeying:
    1) Ceasing to sin is not required for "salvation" / "eternal life" / living in the Kingdom / receiving the "spirit of truth" / being "born again".
    2) Ceasing to sin is not possible for any given human being.


    It's a fact. Are you claiming they don't serve as excuses for those who do not obey?

    But then, you aren't one to allow facts to get in the way of what you like to believe.
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    21 Oct '18 12:39
    @proper-knob said
    @SecondSon

    Do tell.
    Self evident. Most simple.
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    21 Oct '18 12:43
    @thinkofone said
    You asked the following:
    <<What's your excuse for not obeying the commandment of your maker?>>

    I provided two beliefs that many Christians hold that serve as excuses for those who do not obey:
    [quote]Two beliefs held by many Christians play a major role in not obeying:
    1) Ceasing to sin is not required for "salvation" / "eternal life" / living in the Kingdom / recei ...[text shortened]... hey don't?

    But then, you aren't one to allow facts to get in the way of what you like to believe.
    Don't worry about them. Worry about yourself.

    Your excuse is noted.
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    @SecondSon

    So simple, you can’t explain it?!
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    @secondson said
    The evidence is all around you. Very simple.
    Couldn't a Hindu give the same answer, if asked for evidence that their gods exist?
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    @fmf said
    Surely you had something less clumsy than this kind of thing in mind when you asked your OP question?
    No. I fully expected you to provide the clumsy excuses.
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    @secondson said
    No. I fully expected you to provide the clumsy excuses.
    People can't disobey "commandments" they don't believe exist. 
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    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Couldn't a Hindu give the same answer, if asked for evidence that their gods exist?
    No.

    There's only one God.
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    @fmf said
    People can't disobey "commandments" they don't believe exist. 
    Don't be silly. They do it all the time.
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    @proper-knob said
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    So simple, you can’t explain it?!
    So simple it doesn't need explaining.
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