The First Question

The First Question

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@secondson said
You can, whether you believe they exist or not.
You are just being silly.

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@secondson said
No.

There's only one God.
I accept you believe that.

What though is to prevent a Hindu from using creation as tangible evidence for the existence of 'their' gods? Like Christianity, they have religious texts attributing creation to their particular variety of the divine.

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@ghost-of-a-duke said

What though is to prevent a Hindu from using creation as tangible evidence for the existence of 'their' gods? Like Christianity, they have religious texts attributing creation to their particular variety of the divine.
They don't have Jesus.

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You don't have Odin.

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@fmf said
You are just being silly.
What is silly is the notion that because you don't believe God exists that He doesn't.

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@proper-knob said
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You don't have Odin.
Odin is dead. Jesus lives.

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@secondson said
Odin is dead. Jesus lives.
No. Jesus is dead. Odin lives. He's all around you.

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@secondson said
Don't worry about them. Worry about yourself.

Your excuse is noted.
Your dodge is noted.

I provided two beliefs that many Christians hold that serve as excuses for those who do not obey:
Two beliefs held by many Christians play a major role in not obeying:
1) Ceasing to sin is not required for "salvation" / "eternal life" / living in the Kingdom / receiving the "spirit of truth" / being "born again".
2) Ceasing to sin is not possible for any given human being.


The truth is that they do in fact serve as excuses for many Christians who do not obey.

But then, you aren't one to allow the truth to get in the way of what you like to believe.

For example, you like to believe that the Bible is the inerrant word of God and that in the following passage God is not condoning chattel slavery:
Leviticus 25
44“ ‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life,..


For you truth is what you like to believe.

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@secondson said
What is silly is the notion that because you don't believe God exists that He doesn't.
To be supposedly wilfully disobeying "commandments" - and to be asked to make "excuses" for doing so - one has to believe they exist. If you just want to assert that whatever you think is true and exists is true and exists, then just go ahead and assert it. But don't wrap it up in sheer silliness like the question in the OP.

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@proper-knob said
No. Jesus is dead. Odin lives. He's all around you.
The evidence says otherwise.

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@fmf said
To be supposedly wilfully disobeying "commandments" - and to be asked to make "excuses" for doing so - one has to believe they exist.
Don't be silly. One does not have to believe something exists for it to exist.

If you were colorblind would that mean colors don't exist?

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@secondson said
The evidence says otherwise.
Finally we have some evidence, fire away.

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@secondson said
Don't be silly. One does not have to believe something exists for it to exist.

If you were colorblind would that mean colors don't exist?
This is not a response to what I put to you. Being colour blind not an example of disobedience. One has to believe a commandment exists for one to be accused of consciously disobeying it.

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@fmf said
This is not a response to what I put to you. Being colour blind not an example of disobedience. One has to believe a commandment exists for one to be accused of consciously disobeying it.
Obviously you are willingly missing the point.

It is illogical to assume something doesn't exist simply because one doesn't believe it exists, just as being ignorant of the law doesn't make one immune from prosecution for breaking it.

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