Originally posted by moonbusI believe eating from the other tree would have made him immoral yes, which
Rather a lot depends on whether Adam was created mortal or immortal.
EDIT: If he was created mortal, then threatening him with death at some vague time in the far distant future if he eates the forbidden fruit makes no sense and doesn't jive with the statement that he will surely die "in the day" he eats the fruit.
EDIT 2: correct me if I mis-remember ...[text shortened]... _ tree, the tree of life, that would have made Adam immortal ("like us", meaning like the gods)?
was why God stopped them from doing so in their sinful state.
For man the wages of sin was death, until sin there would not have been a
death.
Kelly
Originally posted by moonbusI agree, I'm not at all sure they were. I don't think anything says so one way
See my second edit, posted after your response.
Were all the animals and plants in the garden immortal? If not, then their remains fertilized the soil.
or the other, but I don't see it working out that they could be, but I don't
know is the best I can do.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayIf, as you say, Adam was created immortal, then Gen2:17 makes the following sense: "if you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you will become mortal (at the time you eat, i.e., in the very same day)"--not necessarily that you will die on that day, but you will surely die someday because your nature will have changed on that day from immortal to mortal. Now that does make literal sense.
I believe eating from the other tree would have made him immoral yes, which
was why God stopped them from doing so in their sinful state.
For man the wages of sin was death, until sin there would not have been a
death.
Kelly
So now, what about the _second_ tree, the tree of life, which was also forbidden to him (lest Adam become "like us," presumably meaning "like us _gods_" who are immortal). What did that tree have to offer Adam if he ate of it, assuming he was already immortal? That he might become immortal _again_ after having eaten of the first tree and become mortal?
Originally posted by moonbusI don't think they were forbidden to eat of the 2nd tree until sin.
If, as you say, Adam was created immortal, then Gen2:17 makes the following sense: "if you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you will become mortal (at the time you eat, i.e., in the very same day)"--not necessarily that you will die on that day, but you will surely die someday because your nature will have changed on that day from immortal to m ...[text shortened]... l? That he might become immortal _again_ after having eaten of the first tree and become mortal?
Kelly
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Originally posted by moonbusthis again is an inaccuracy, there is a difference between possessing the quality of immortality and having the prospect of living forever. If you are immortal you cannot die, wheres if you have the prospect of living forever it can certainly be taken away by the one who granted it.
If, as you say, Adam was created immortal, then Gen2:17 makes the following sense: "if you eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, you will become mortal (at the time you eat, i.e., in the very same day)"--not necessarily that you will die on that day, but you will surely die someday because your nature will have changed on that day from immortal to m ...[text shortened]... l? That he might become immortal _again_ after having eaten of the first tree and become mortal?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHypothesis: two conditions are necessary to be / become like the gods: 1. immortality, and 2. knowledge of good and evil. Adam, in the default state, possess the prospect of living forever, which is almost immortality but not irreversibly so, and Adam does not possess the other condition either, knowledge of good and evil. God forbids Adam to acquire the 2d condition, knowledge of good and evil, on pain of losing what he already had (the prospect of living forever). Adam disobeys, acquires the 2d condition, knowledge of good and evil. He thereby loses his prospect of living forever ("you shall surely die" someday). Having acquired knowledge of good and evil, he cannot lose this. So, to prevent Adam from acquiring the 1st god-like condition, immortality and thereby regaining what he had lost (and more) in acquring the 2d condition, God banishes Adam from the Garden.
this again is an inaccuracy, there is a difference between possessing the quality of immortality and having the prospect of living forever. If you are immortal you cannot die, wheres if you have the prospect of living forever it can certainly be taken away by the one who granted it.
Then a few thousand years later, God appears on earth in the form of Jesus, and restores man's prospect of living forever.
Is that the programme?
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Originally posted by moonbusnot its not immortality, if you are immortal you cannot suffer destruction, clearly Adam was not immortal and there is not a single Biblical reference which alludes to the idea that he was. Its really quite simple.
Hypothesis: two conditions are necessary to be / become like the gods: 1. immortality, and 2. knowledge of good and evil. Adam, in the default state, possess the prospect of living forever, which is almost immortality but not irreversibly so, and Adam does not possess the other condition either, knowledge of good and evil. God forbids Adam to acquire the 2d ...[text shortened]... h in the form of Jesus, and restores man's prospect of living forever.
Is that the programme?
I don’t believe that Christ is God nor do i think that the Bible teaches that he is, for the entire reason that Christ came to the earth was to offer his life as a propitiatory sacrifice. God cannot die and God cannot be seen by men, Christ died and was seen by many people, even simple logic can be utilized to refute the assertion.