Originally posted by HandyAndyThanks for the sermon, Pops. But all I said was there was a general location of Eden shown in Genesis. I was ready to reveal the secret password (gen2:10-14) but apparently you figured it out. Good for you.
I have read Genesis, many times. And I recognize it as a powerful legend that imparts a compelling message.
The passage describing the Garden of Eden (Genesis 2:8-14) refers to four rivers which no longer exist, if they
ever did exist. The present day Tigris and Euphrates may or may not have any connection with the fictional
"Tigris" and "Euphrates" ...[text shortened]... our argument. You might learn a few things
if you dusted off your brain instead of your Bible.
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Originally posted by moonbusYou are assuming he was mortal. But if he was mortal, then how would eating a forbidden fruit make him mortal? Where is the cause and effect?
Adam was mortal, right? So Adam would surely have died anyway eventually, even if he hadn't eaten the forbidden fruit. So what's the point of God's telling him "you're going to die SOMEDAY if you eat it"?
Nor do I see any sense in saying that it means something like "you will start dying (slowly) on the day you eat it." If Adam was mortal, then he starte ...[text shortened]... o and I, God, have my own reasons for this which you, man, dare not question."
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Originally posted by HandyAndyThere is a good deal of misanthropicized vanity here along with unfunny banter which sometimes strikes me as simply wretched rather than spiritual, but I do think that Christians are entitled to self-identify as Christians and people can simply make what they will of their forum fruits.
Then I came to the right place, didn't I? The clan of counterfeit Christians.
I have taken the liberty of coining a brand new English word in order to express this opinion.
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-Removed-al·le·go·ry
a story, poem, or picture that can be interpreted to reveal a hidden meaning, typically a moral or political one.
"Pilgrim's Progress is an allegory of the spiritual journey"
synonyms:parable, analogy, metaphor, symbol, emblem
"Saramago's latest novel is an allegory of social disintegration"
a symbol.
Are you saying that when God said "on THIS day you will surely die" that he was being in some way allegorical?
No.
https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Genesis%202:17
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Originally posted by FMFMisanthropicized. Or should it be misanthropicised?
There is a good deal of misanthropicized vanity here along with unfunny banter which sometimes strikes me as simply wretched rather than spiritual, but I do think that Christians are entitled to self-identify as Christians and people can simply make what they will of their forum fruits.
I have taken the liberty of coining a brand new English word in order to express this opinion.
Do you think robbie and limeboy would still be rude and obnoxious if they were atheists?
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-Removed-I wasn't contradicting what I said, I was contradicting what you said.
Apparently there are two ways of interpreting this passage, and you seem determined to take advantage of this apparent discrepancy. But there is no discrepancy when the passage is taken in context, and not out of context as you have done.
"in the day that you" simply refers to the day of something happening, and in this case it means "in the day" you eat of the fruit. It does not mean you will "die in that day", which should be obvious because Adam did not die that very same day. So if he didn't die that very same day, then what do you suppose the writer was talking about?
Apparently you have chosen for it to mean a person will die the same day he partakes of the forbidden fruit. I don't know why you would think that, because if Adam lived after that (but did eventually die) that should have clued you into some other meaning (intended by the writer) being the most likely.
I've played along with you so far, but it seems this is as far as you are willing or able to go. I thought you might be leading up to something else, but it appears this is it.
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Originally posted by HandyAndyMaybe they would be. It is the internet that empowers them here [whilst relegating personal inhibition] I think, and not so much their religionist doctrine ~ although the combination of vanity and religiosity, and its impact on interpersonal communication, is perhaps a whole interesting topic all of its own. Grampy Bobby would make an interesting witness/exhibit/case study on that issue.
Do you think robbie and limeboy would still be rude and obnoxious if they were atheists?
My point was that I think people with the demeanour of the likes of lemon lime, Suzianne, FreakyKBH and robbie carrobie are entitled to declare and assert themselves as being Christians and meanwhile I am better off just observing [and engaging] what seems to make them tick and how they interact ~ and thus evaluating Christianity-in-action in that way ~ rather than trying to work out whether they, as proponents or adherents, are genuine or counterfeit.