The Garden of Eden

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There are lots of accounts, people, murderers, freeks, politicians, satan, etc, etc that disagree with the bible. So what? I don't care what they think or say or do about much of anything.
I care about what God has said to us in his work the bible. The bible gives no indication at all that the events of the garden of Eden were not real.
Until he tells me differently, I take it as being real.


So now that you avoided most of my quesions, I'll try again.

Was Adam a real person?

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You didn't read my post about this did you?

Originally posted by moonbus
"Could I ask why you feel the garden and Adam and Eve were not real? What makes you think this and what proof do you or anyone else have other then[sic] man[']s philosophies that it isn't real? I'm curious as to where this idea started because all of God's followers right up to Jesus and beyond took it literal[ly]."

You answered your own question:

"Jes ...[text shortened]... ic. No proof is needed: the account in Genesis was meant as moral allegory, not factual geodesy.

Who says? By ones who love and respect God's word the Bible? Hardly.....

Was the garden of Eden a real place?

"Why is there doubt on this score? Philosophy may have played a role. For centuries, theologians speculated that God’s garden was still in existence somewhere. However, the church was influenced by such Greek philosophers as Plato and Aristotle, who held that nothing on the earth could be perfect. Only heaven could contain perfection. Therefore, theologians reasoned, the original Paradise had to be closer to heaven.* Some said that the garden sat atop an extremely high mountain that reached just above the confines of this degraded planet; others, that it was at the North Pole or the South Pole; still others, that it was on or near the moon. Not surprisingly, the whole concept of Eden took on an aura of fantasy. Some modern-day scholars dismiss the geography of Eden as nonsense, asserting that no such place ever existed.

However, the Bible does not portray the garden that way. At Genesis 2:8-14, we learn a number of specifics about that place. It was located in the eastern part of the region called Eden. It was watered by a river that became the source for four rivers. Each of the four is named, and a brief description about its course provided. These details have long tantalized scholars, many of whom have scoured this Bible passage for clues to the present-day location of this ancient site. However, they have come up with innumerable contradictory opinions. Does this mean that the physical description of Eden, its garden, and its rivers is false or mythical?

Consider: The events in the garden of Eden account unfolded some 6,000 years ago. They were put into writing, evidently by Moses, who may have made use of oral accounts or perhaps even preexisting documents. Still, Moses was writing about 2,500 years after the events described. Eden was already ancient history. Now, is it possible for such landmarks as rivers to change over the course of dozens of centuries? The earth’s crust is dynamic, ever in motion. The region that likely included Eden is an earthquake belt—one that now accounts for about 17 percent of the world’s largest quakes. In such areas, change is the rule rather than the exception. What is more, the Flood of Noah’s day may have altered the topography in ways that we simply cannot know today.

Here, though, are a few facts that we do know: The Genesis account speaks of the garden as a real place. Two of the four rivers mentioned in the account—the Euphrates and the Tigris, or Hiddekel—flow today, and some of their source waters are very close together. The account even names the lands through which those rivers flowed and specifies the natural resources well-known in the area. To the people of ancient Israel, the original audience who read this record, these details were informative.
Do myths and fairy tales work that way? Or do they tend to omit specifics that could readily be verified or denied? “Once upon a time in a faraway land” is a way to begin a fairy tale. History, though, tends to include relevant details, as the Eden account does."

Originally posted by galveston75
Who says? By ones who love and respect God's word the Bible? Hardly.....

Was the garden of Eden a real place?

"Why is there doubt on this score? Philosophy may have played a role. For centuries, theologians speculated that God’s garden was still in existence somewhere. However, the church was influenced by such Greek philosophers a ...[text shortened]... gin a fairy tale. History, though, tends to include relevant details, as the Eden account does."

There seem to be a few paragraphs of text here from "off the shelf", so to speak. 😀

Originally posted by galveston75
Was Adam real? Anyone?

Of course not. There was no garden of Eden, no Adam, no Eve, no god needed. All fairy tales to start a religion.

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I refer you back to the question I asked about which translation of the Bible you are using.

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I just wanted to know if you are referring to what the Bible actually says or not.

Did the tree of the knowledge of good and evil have fruit on it? You were suggesting it wasn't a "fruit tree". Every translation and version of the Bible I've seen suggests it was a fruit tree. This is why I'm asking you what version or translation of the Bible are you using... if you don't own a Bible you can find different versions/translations of this passage online.

And please don't ask 'What passage are you referring to?' Just answer the question... or not answer it.

Originally posted by lemon lime
I just wanted to know if you are referring to what the Bible actually says or not.

Did the tree of the knowledge of good and evil have fruit on it? You were suggesting it wasn't a "fruit tree". Every translation and version of the Bible I've seen suggests it was a fruit tree. This is why I'm asking you what version or translation of the Bible ar ...[text shortened]... /i] don't ask 'What passage are you referring to?' Just answer the question... or not answer it.

Good luck on that......