Originally posted by josephwKind of like "collateral damage," right?
I really want to say something here that makes some sense.
If you are going to isolate an act of God out of it's context and not within the larger picture, you are going to stumble right over the truth and not even know it. On it's surface, the atheist is going to balk at a God that kills innocent children. That's how the argument is framed. God is a kille ...[text shortened]... rom human history how lives were sacrificed for the benefit others. Both forced and heroic.
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Originally posted by josephwWhere was he during the holocaust!?
I really want to say something here that makes some sense.
If you are going to isolate an act of God out of it's context and not within the larger picture, you are going to stumble right over the truth and not even know it. On it's surface, the atheist is going to balk at a God that kills innocent children. That's how the argument is framed. God is a kille rom human history how lives were sacrificed for the benefit others. Both forced and heroic.
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Originally posted by josephwOut of context? The "larger" picture. (What does that mean!?) You are not making 'sense' to me!
I really want to say something here that makes some sense.
If you are going to isolate an act of God out of it's context and not within the larger picture, you are going to stumble right over the truth and not even know it. On it's surface, the atheist is going to balk at a God that kills innocent children. That's how the argument is framed. God is a kille rom human history how lives were sacrificed for the benefit others. Both forced and heroic.
Originally posted by josephwIf god created man in a "perfect form and state" then nothing could go wrong. The fact that something went wrong means man was not perfect. The design was inherently flawed, which reflects badly upon the designer. Your god is either an incompetent designer who could do no better, or a capricious one who delights in chaos.
I really want to say something here that makes some sense.
If you are going to isolate an act of God out of it's context and not within the larger picture, you are going to stumble right over the truth and not even know it. On it's surface, the atheist is going to balk at a God that kills innocent children. That's how the argument is framed. God is a kille ...[text shortened]... rom human history how lives were sacrificed for the benefit others. Both forced and heroic.
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Originally posted by Stregone++++++++++++++++++++++++
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. ~ Pg. 31
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: ..... unforgiving ....
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You're impressed with the unforgivingness of God in the Bible?
Was your favorite TV program The Avengers ?
Originally posted by jaywillActually my favorite shows right now are MEDIUM and GHOST WHISPERER. My favorite movies: Advocate for the Devil and the Ninth Gate.
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The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: ..... unforgiving ....
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You're impressed with the unforgivingness of God in the Bible?
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Originally posted by rwingettYes, something went wrong. But it wasn't God's doing.
If god created man in a "perfect form and state" then nothing could go wrong. The fact that something went wrong means man was not perfect. The design was inherently flawed, which reflects badly upon the designer. Your god is either an incompetent designer who could do no better, or a capricious one who delights in chaos.
I'm curious. You're an atheist. You reject the bible story as just fiction. Why do you even argue about it? What's more, why do I argue about it if I know we'll get nowhere? This is nuts!
Originally posted by scottishinnzIt's axiomatic with these kinds of believers that any action taken by their god is just. They will concoct wild justifications to convince a skeptic that this is so. When they run out of ideas, they retreat to the "unknown purposes defense" (UPD). There's some very good reason for him conspiring with Satan to kill Job's family or with
What about killing the first-born. What had they done to deserve it?
The UPD is closely related to the divine right defense. Yahweh is the definition of good and so any thing he does is good and just by definition. Unfortunately, in light of his OT behavior as well as his promised future behavior, this defense does less to explain Yahweh's actions than it does to confuse us about what it means to be good.
Anyway, you've been around here long enough to know how it goes. I lost nearly all interest in this subject about six months ago. It's been refreshing really.
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Originally posted by StregoneSo you don't mind making him more angry I take it? 😉
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. ~ Pg. 31
Good luck with that.
Edit: Thanks for capitalizing the word "God". You know it give us theists a warm feeling inside when we see people doing that.
Originally posted by kirksey957Much more complicated.
When you say that "God is good and man is bad. It's that simple", isn't it really a lot more complicated than that?
God is infinite, man is finite.
God is Spirit, man is temporal.
God is omniscient, man is a blithering idiot.
Won't you give an explanation of the comparison of your own?