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Originally posted by TheSkipperMy problem with that is that we were given the will to act, told to
Wow, you are right Kelly. If Scottish is going to believe in God enough to blame him for human suffering then he needs to believe in Him enough to praise him for his own existence, for sending Jesus, and so on. This is a reasonably good point. All then that is left for Scottish to do is decide whether with all the dying and suffering God's creation is ld be silly to suggest that my treatment of the rat is not only good, but worthy of worship.
take care of each other by God, it is us, not God who is at fault here!
We do not live up to our responsibility, the vast majority of the
suffering today is caused by us, or it is within our power to stop yet we
don’t. So claiming yourself righteous because of the evil we do is not
going to fly on judgment day.
With regard to saying God is not worthy of worship, He put it all
together and gave us our lives along with all that is before us, He
holds it all together and you fail to see that as worthy? The evil that
is going on now only has a short time left, and all that take part in it
will be dealt with, God will deal with at the root cause and God will end
it in the universe forever, it is but a bump in the road in time that will
be short lived.
Kelly
Originally posted by Stregonewhen was he unjust? unforgiving??? you are joking right? a control freak who allows free will from his creations. (anything man-made have free will?) racist? when?
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. ~ Pg. 31
Originally posted by KellyJayThat does not explain natural disasters and a whole host of other circumstances wherin we die and suffer needlessly.
My problem with that is that we were given the will to act, told to
take care of each other by God, it is us, not God who is at fault here!
We do not live up to our responsibility, the vast majority of the
suffering today is caused by us, or it is within our power to stop yet we
don’t. So claiming yourself righteous because of the evil we do is not
goi ...[text shortened]... in the universe forever, it is but a bump in the road in time that will
be short lived.
Kelly
Originally posted by TheSkipperNeedlessly?
That does not explain natural disasters and a whole host of other circumstances wherin we die and suffer needlessly.
I don't understand your reasoning, God setup the universe and there
wasn't any need for suffering of any kind and we screwed it up. From
there the earth was cursed because we were put in charge of it. I have
seen people make the claim that suffering is evil by itself, I disagree
it is simply a fact of life, it is no more evil than pain, pleasure,or joy
for that matter. Now the modivation for inflicting or levels of pain and
suffering goes to the good or evil of those actions. Since we live on a
cursed planet natural disasters occur, this again isn't going to
continue, it will until evil is dealt with completely, than throughout all of
time it will not occur again here.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayArgh!
Needlessly?
I don't understand your reasoning, God setup the universe and there
wasn't any need for suffering of any kind and we screwed it up. From
there the earth was cursed because we were put in charge of it. I have
seen people make the claim that suffering is evil by itself, I disagree
it is simply a fact of life, it is no more evil than pain, ple ...[text shortened]... l is dealt with completely, than throughout all of
time it will not occur again here.
Kelly
Okay, WE didn't screw anything up Adam did.
The earth was only cursed because God, during his holy temper tantrum, failed to exercise a little restraint.
Suffering, in itself, is not evil...agreed. However, being in a position to prevent suffering (which God is, by definition), and not doing so is evil.
Until evil is dealt with completely? Well what is the bloody hold up? Has God not noticed that people are suffering, let's get this show on the road, times a wastin'. God's delay is allowing massive human suffering to continue when he has the power to stop it...right now. Hold the guy accountable, will you please?
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Originally posted by TheSkipperWe within the line of Adam are paying the price for his actions, it is
Argh!
Okay, WE didn't screw anything up Adam did.
The earth was only cursed because God, during his holy temper tantrum, failed to exercise a little restraint.
Suffering, in itself, is not evil...agreed. However, being in a position to prevent suffering (which God is, by definition), and not doing so is evil.
Until evil is dealt with complete ue when he has the power to stop it...right now. Hold the guy accountable, will you please?
not to much different today if you run around sleeping with anyone
you can and pick up a disease that you pass down to your off spring,
actions have consequences. When confronted with his sin Adam did
the same thing you are doing here now, attempt to blame God. Adam
told God the woman who God gave him caused it all, which isn’t to far
off what you are attempting to do, justify holding God accountable for
our actions.
As far as God having a temper, yes He does and when He acts on it, it
is as horrible as His grace is good. God’s grace and mercy will clean us
of all our sins with no mixing in of any punishment or reminder, our
sins and guilt will be gone forever never to be remembered again,
while His wrath will punish without any mercy given and no relenting to
the wrath.
Why God holds back, I don’t know I imagine we will find out, but I
only have theories nothing more. In the mean time, we are here to
do the good we can do, if you want to hold God accountable for all He
has done, you should start thanking Him for all the good things He
has done. I imagine the day God holds you accountable, you’ll have
the chance to do the same to Him, and good luck with that.
Kelly
Originally posted by josephwJoshua 6 ethnic cleansing, murder and racism
Everyone knows that the bible can be made to say anything. And it is.
But it is intellectually dishonest to label God with those attributes and characteristics that can only be applied to man.
God is good. Man is bad. It's that simple. Do you think I am God's apologist? Nothing about God as told in the bible is acceptable to an atheist. All I can tell y ...[text shortened]... understanding is biased out of control, and is narrow minded.
Don't take that personally.
Originally posted by StregoneAlmost like Dawkins himself.
The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully. ~ Pg. 31