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@philokalia saidChuntering on about "Orthodox theology" doesn't make up for your inability to make any kind of moral case for the stuff you believe when you are talking to someone like me; yes, so OK, it might serve you well when you are preaching to the choir, but what does that achieve if the choir believes in the morally incoherent torturer god ideology too?
Actually, the beliefs are drawn directly from what I can take from Orthodox theology. It is called theology commonly. I do not think I am being arrogant by using the word.
I cite the people that are the creators of the theology because they are important figures and I just can't steal credit for very old ideas.
The arguments that they provide are well reasoned.
...[text shortened]... the Bible is the best that anyone can do when talking about Christianity -- unless you are a Saint!
Your admiration for "Saints" and "important figures" has not equipped you to talk about the morality of what you believe.
The "Saints" and "important figures" agree with you, so what? Or you're just reciting what you have rote-learned, so what?
Citing "Saints" and "important figures" that provide you with your confirmation bias is just another variant of the whole "It is because it is" kind of discourse that your ideology of moral nonsense relies so heavily on.
@philokalia saidIf I am still being tortured in burning flames in 10,000,000 years from now because I found Christian doctrine to be non-credible, what would be the moral purpose of inflicting that violence on me, and what would be the reason for doing it if it has no corrective function on me [dead, or being kept supernaturally conscious so that I can suffer for my thoughtcrimes while alive] or anyone else [still living, and unconvinced of the truth of your torture mumbo-jumbo ~ i.e "guilty" of thoughtcrimes while they are alive]?
Actually, the beliefs are drawn directly from what I can take from Orthodox theology.
@fmf saidI do not know what sends people to hell.
If I am still being tortured in burning flames in 10,000,000 years from now because I found Christian doctrine to be non-credible, what would be the moral purpose of inflicting that violence on me, and what would be the reason for doing it if it has no corrective function on me [dead, or being kept supernaturally conscious so that I can suffer for my thoughtcrimes while alive] or ...[text shortened]... nced of the truth of your torture mumbo-jumbo ~ i.e "guilty" of thoughtcrimes while they are alive]?
But let us say that it is the case -- for it is a distinct possibility for any person who consciously rejects the Gospel.
What is the "moral purpose" of you being there?
If you mean, what was the cause, it was hearing the Gospel, rejecting it, and never repenting for your sins and attempting to live up to yourself as an image bearer of God.
Since you have an immortal and powerful soul, if you choose to be separate from God, you are eternally separate from Him, as you have willed it. The consequence of a willed separation from God and rejection of His Gospel and repentance is hell -- the separation from God, in which the purifying light of God is likened to fire.
You are a rational agent, and you choose and act independently. Why should you not be held accountable for your sins, and your own existence?
-Removed-Why would I, who knows little, be sure of such?
Does not the Bible say...
Judge not lest ye be judged (Matthew 7:1) and do not worry about tomorrow (Matthew 6:34)?
Matthew 6:8 also talks about how the Father knows what we need before we ask Him. He knows more than we can ever know.
I am not omniscient, and I do not know these things.
This is the first time a Christian has suggested that I should know these things.