Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you know i dont subscribe to this point of view Jay, but yes, that is not to say, someone
else shall not. My main objection is as you know, that personification does not
necessarily mean personality, therefore while the scriptures personify the Holy spirit,
it is, not of necessity, a personality. Gods purpose as far as i can discern is that
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this, i do not doubt, its simply in its personification that we disagree upon.
When the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are mentioned together,
you seem to accept that the Father and Son as persons in the
Godhead; but the Holy Spirit is not really another person, but
something else that is being personified as a person.
Do you also believe that spirit angels, unclean spirits or wicked
spirits are not persons, but something else being personified as
persons? So when the disciples were commanded to baptize in
the Name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, were they being
baptized in the Name of two persons and something else?
Jesus told His disciples that He was going away to prepare a
place for them and that He would come back for them. He also
said that during the time He was away He would ask the Father
to send another Helper like Himself referring to the Holy Spirit.
Jesus referred to the Holy Spirit as He. If Jesus is a person why
would not another Helper be a person too? Jesus said the Holy
Spirit would teach them and guide them to the truth. Jesus said
that the Spirit would not speak on His own initiative, but whatever
He hears, He will speak and He will disclose to you what is to come.
The Holy Bible also says the Holy Spirit knows the mind of God and
God knows the mind of the Spirit. Since the Spirit has a mind that
knows things, can teach and guide others by speaking what He hears
from God, why would you think Jesus is just personifying the Holy
Spirit? Is Jesus trying to trick us in to believing the Holy Spirit is
a real person for some reason? The Holy Spirit is also spoken of as
testifying or bearing witness of Christ, commissioning people to
service, issuing commands, restraining sin, and interceding in prayer
for us when we don't know how. These are things a person would
be able to do; but I can not understand what else could do these things.
We are told in the Holy Bible that the Holy Spirit can be grieved which
seems to indicate He has emotions. The Holy bible also says that peter,
Paul, and Barnabas obeyed the Holy Spirit and according to Acts 5:3,
Ananias and Sapphira were guilty of lying to the Holy Spirit. And just
as God the Father and God the Son can be blasphemed, we are told that
the Holy Spirit can be blasphemed (Matthew 12:32; Mark 3:29-30).
Do you also believe Satan is personified and is not a real person, but
something else? One more thing I noticed about the Holy Spirit is that
when He speaks He uses the personal pronouns "I" and "Me" indicating
He thinks of Himself as a person. Why would you possibly think that
the Holy Spirit is not a person?