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Originally posted by KellyJayOK, so you say some "believers" are going to suffer "eternal torment" [that seems to be a rather different theology than the one that 'inspired' the OP]. But this does not answer the question you did the 'Repy & Quote' to.
Being a believer doesn't mean Jesus is their Lord, many are going to come
to Christ and say "Lord, Lord..." and He is going to tell them depart from
Him, He never knew them. Even the devil believes.
Let me rephrase the question slightly:
Will "believers" be punished for their sins in the same way as "unbelievers" [being punished for being "unbelievers"] will be?
Originally posted by FMFAll sinners not with Jesus Christ will be punished for their sins.
OK, so you say some "believers" are going to suffer "eternal torment" [that seems to be a rather different theology than the one that 'inspired' the OP]. But this does not answer the question you did the 'Repy & Quote' to.
Let me rephrase the question slightly:
Will "believers" be punished for their sins [b]in the same way as "unbelievers" [being punished for being "unbelievers"] will be?[/b]
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaySo "believers" who escape the "eternal torment" will, nevertheless, be punished for "any and all sins" they have committed? You say "any sin will make one a sinner", so every "believer" is also a "sinner" ~ is that what you are saying? If so, what is the nature of this punishment?
Any and all sins will be paid for, God's forgiveness won by Jesus is the only
thing that can justify a sinner. Without that everyone will stand before God
in their own righteousness, and any sin will make one a sinner.
Originally posted by KellyJayYou appear to be contradicting yourself. Set me straight if you think you aren't.
All sinners not with Jesus Christ will be punished for their sins.
You say: "All sinners not with Jesus Christ will be punished for their sins."
But you also say "Any and all sins will be paid for [...] and any sin will make one a sinner."
So is it fair to characterize you as saying: "All sinners with Jesus Christ will be punished for their sins too."
Originally posted by FMFWho told you those who believe will escape the faith of all sinners if they
So "believers" who escape the "eternal torment" will, nevertheless, be punished for "any and all sins" they have committed? You say "any sin will make one a sinner", so every "believer" is also a "sinner" ~ is that what you are saying? If so, what is the nature of this punishment?
are not right with God through Jesus Christ?
Kelly
Originally posted by FMFBeing a believer does not make one right with God.
You appear to be contradicting yourself. Set me straight if you think you aren't.
You say: "All sinners not with Jesus Christ will be punished for their sins."
But you also say "Any and all sins will be paid for [...] and any sin will make one a sinner."
So is it fair to characterize you as saying: "All sinners [b]with Jesus Christ will be punished for their sins too."[/b]
Turning your life over to God, accepting Jesus Christ as Lord getting right
with God through Christ and Him alone makes one right with God. Simply
believing in a god does nothing.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJaySo my question remains unanswered: If "believers" who escape the "eternal torment" will, nevertheless, be punished for "any and all sins" they have committed, what is the nature of this punishment?
Being a believer does not make one right with God.
Originally posted by FMFYou don't seem to be following along well.
So my question remains unanswered: If "believers" who escape the "eternal torment" will, nevertheless, be punished for "any and all sins" they have committed, what is the nature of this punishment?
No one except those that belong to Christ will escape eternal torment.
A lake of fire.
Kelly