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    03 May '18 19:421 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (1 John 3:10 KJV)

    Righteousness and good works aka following the commandments of Christ is what makes children of God.

    Professions of faith do not make children of God
    What about actual faith, is it only optional?

    Is the part in the Bible that says it is impossible to please God without faith a lie?
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    03 May '18 19:42
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Your dodge is noted.
    You can note what ever you like.
    I try to answer all relevant questions.
    My answers all come from the bible.

    Personal questions are ignored, neither do I ask them.
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    03 May '18 19:44
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (1 John 3:10 KJV)

    Righteousness and good works aka following the commandments of Christ is what makes children of God.

    Professions of faith do not make children of God
    <<Righteousness and good works aka following the commandments of Christ is what makes children of God.>>

    If that’s true, then why don’t you follow Christ’s commandments?

    You know why you don’t? Because you can’t. You haven’t accepted Christ into your heart and don’t have the aid of God’s indwelling Holy Spirit. Therefore, you live in the flesh and - unless you accept Christ into your heart - you’ll die in the flesh.
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    03 May '18 19:45
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    You can note what ever you like.
    I try to answer all relevant questions.
    My answers all come from the bible.

    Personal questions are ignored, neither do I ask them.
    So you’re saying that while someone obeys God they are His child, but the second they slip up they no longer are? Yes or No?
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    03 May '18 19:46
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    What about actual faith, is it only optional?
    Good .. keep asking in a nice way and ignore ME .. Im not part of the topic.

    Faith is an absolute requirement for the Saints of Christ, the elect of God
    Good works and righteousness is another absolute requirement.for the elect.

    Faith is not a requirement to enter the Kingdom of God.
    Someone who did not know of God can still enter the kingdom of God
    Jesus will judge

    Saints are called to a higher standard than ordinary people
    They have a key role to play with Christ in the 1000yr reign

    You are trying to trap me but you would not succeed.
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    03 May '18 19:47
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    You can note what ever you like.
    I try to answer all relevant questions.
    My answers all come from the bible.

    Personal questions are ignored, neither do I ask them.
    Would you answer what you claim was a personal question if it were rephrased as this:

    “So you’re saying that while one obeys God, he or she is His child, but the second they slip up, they no longer are?
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    03 May '18 19:52
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Good .. keep asking in a nice way and ignore ME .. Im not part of the topic.

    Faith is an absolute requirement for the Saints of Christ, the elect of God
    Good works and righteousness is another absolute requirement.for the elect.

    Faith is not a requirement to enter the Kingdom of God.
    Someone who did not know of God can still enter the kingdom of Go ...[text shortened]... to play with Christ in the 1000yr reign

    You are trying to trap me but you would not succeed.
    So you are saying that people without faith (who don’t please God) can enter the kingdom of God, is that correct?
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    03 May '18 19:54
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    So you are saying that people without faith (who don’t please God) can enter the kingdom of God, is that correct?
    Did I say that?
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    03 May '18 19:571 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Did I say that?
    Yes. Unless you deny that without faith it is impossible to please God. Do you deny that?
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    03 May '18 19:59
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    Would you answer what you claim was a personal question if it were rephrased as this:

    “So you’re saying that while one obeys God, he or she is His child, but the second they slip up, they no longer are?
    Children of God are those who enter the Kingdom of God.
    There are some who will know in advance of that event
    But not all.
    People can cliam to be whatever they want.
    In the end Jesus will judge all people

    And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection. (Luke 20:34-36 KJV)

    Right now all people are children of this world.
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    03 May '18 20:02
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Children of God are those who enter the Kingdom of God.
    There are some who will know in advance of that event
    But not all.
    People can cliam to be whatever they want.
    In the end Jesus will judge all people

    And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obt ...[text shortened]... of the resurrection. (Luke 20:34-36 KJV)

    Right now all people are children of this world.
    So nobody knows whether or not they are a child of God?
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    03 May '18 20:042 edits
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    Yes. Unless you deny that without faith it is impossible to please God. Do you deny that?
    I deny that that phrase can be applied universally.
    There are many in the bible listed as pleasing God
    Yet they did not know God.
    James has a list of people who pleased God with their works, Not their faith.
    You need to take the whole story and stop cherrypicking

    In any event faith alone does not please God.
    Plus Paul says "

    (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another) (Romans 2:13-15 KJV)
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    03 May '18 20:06
    Originally posted by @dj2becker
    So nobody knows whether or not they are a child of God?
    Read it over.
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    03 May '18 20:13
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Children of God are those who enter the Kingdom of God.
    There are some who will know in advance of that event
    But not all.
    People can cliam to be whatever they want.
    In the end Jesus will judge all people

    And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obt ...[text shortened]... of the resurrection. (Luke 20:34-36 KJV)

    Right now all people are children of this world.
    <<Right now all people are children of this world.[/b]>>

    Wrong.

    “The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”

    (Romans 8:16)
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    03 May '18 20:16
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Children of God are those who enter the Kingdom of God.
    There are some who will know in advance of that event
    But not all.
    People can cliam to be whatever they want.
    In the end Jesus will judge all people

    And Jesus answering said unto them, The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage: But they which shall be accounted worthy to obt ...[text shortened]... of the resurrection. (Luke 20:34-36 KJV)

    Right now all people are children of this world.
    <<Right now all people are children of this world.[/b]>>

    Wrong.

    “For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

    If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

    But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

    Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?

    For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.”

    (Hebrews 12:6-10)
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