The Mouth in Worship

For many years a poster here has condemned the speaking to Christ. For years this poster has discouraged using the mouth to come forward to God.

Once again this will be debunked.

I find it hard to believe that this applies to you. All that mouthworshiping nonsense you preach cannot all be in your heart. Its not possible for a man to truly believe that he can just profess faith with your mouth, then live in sin and eventually get eternal life. Nobody can be that evil to really think that in their heart.

Understand, Rajk999's knee jerk reaction to the mentioning of speaking or using the mouth is to always refer to Bible passages of God rejecting mere speaking in hypocrisy.

My burden is not to talk about those passages. Rather to talk about the ones in which speaking deepened fellowship with God.

This using of your mouth is not an invitation to be a hypocrite. It is encouragement that without close and intimate communion with Jesus, its hard to live for God. It is hard to be a truly normal human being because Jesus was what God meant by man.

That is a man mutually incorporated and seamlessly united with the uncreated and divine Life of this eternal Person - "the Father".

@sonship said
For many years a poster here has condemned the speaking to Christ. For years this poster has discouraged using the mouth to come forward to God.

Once again this will be debunked.

I find it hard to believe that this applies to you. All that mouthworshiping nonsense you preach cannot all be in your heart. Its not possible for a man to truly believe that he can ju ...[text shortened]... d eventually get eternal life. Nobody can be that evil to really think that in their heart.

When you are in the lowest dungeon of depression, you can call "O Lord Jesus! O Lord Jesus" Jesus is God incarnate.

Lam. 3:55-57
I called upon Your name, O Jehovah,
From the lowest pit.
You have heard my voice; do not hide Your ear at my breathing, at my cry.
You drew near in the day that I called upon You;
You said, Do not fear.


Call on the name of the Lord Jesus when you are down. Call in fact when you are up also. Call for calling in truth will bring you and Jesus together if you believe.


2 Sam. 22:7
In my distress I called upon Jehovah and called to my God.
And He heard my voice from His temple,
And my cry came to His ears.

How practical it is to call upon the name of God with your whole heart.
There is hardly anything then for you to boast in.
In this simplicity of faith God will honor your desire to touch Him.

Here it says God heard the caller. Of course how much more God knows what is in the heart of the calling one. So have no fear to call - "O Lord Jesus".

@Rajk999

Matthew 7:21-27 did not ANYWHERE instruct a man NOT to call.

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
Does that sentence say DON'T CALL on the Lord?
No.

but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?

Do those sentences say "DON'T CALL on God"?
No.


and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Do any of those sentences instruct a believer NOT TO CALL on the name of the Lord Jesus?
No.

They do indicate that He is looking to the living of the caller to be affected.
That is not saying NOT to call on the Lord Jesus.


Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7:21-27 KJV)

Nothing in those sentences says NOT to call on the name of the Lord Jesus to come to Him. Nothing in the above teaching is an instruction to NOT use your mouth to turn your heart to God.

Nothing.

So knowing this how can a believer call on Jesus?

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them,
"O Lord Jesus. Lord empower me to respond to Your word, Your teaching."


I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
So one can CALL - "O Lord Jesus! Lord Jesus You are my ROCK. Lord Jesus You are the Rock upon which I build. O Lord Jesus."


And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not:
"O Lord Jesus, the rain does not wash away. O Lord You are the ROCK on which I build."


for it was founded upon a rock. And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
"O Lord Jesus, Open my ears. Lord Jesus open my heart to Your words."

You see nothing in this teaching discourages a woman or man from calling to the Lord for the Lord to BE that reality that they need.


And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it. (Matthew 7:21-27 KJV)

"O Lord Jesus. I praise You Lord. You are that ROCK of salvation. I call upon You. Lord I call on You in the rains, and in the winds, and in the floods. O Lord Jesus I call upon You whatever betides. Amen Lord Jesus."

Call upon the name of the available resurrected and living Victor - the Lord Jesus.

@sonship said
So knowing this how can a believer call on Jesus?

Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them,
"O Lord Jesus. Lord empower me to respond to Your word, Your teaching."

@Rajk999

Graphics ! Do you think little graphic pictures will help your case?

Living Stream Ministry Hymnal - Hymn 73 copied without permission, under fair use.

Glorious, mighty Name of Jesus,
Into Thy dear Name I flee;
“Set aloft,” I praise and worship,
For Thy Name is victory!

Blessed Jesus! Mighty Savior!
In Thy Name is all I need;
Just to breathe the Name of Jesus,
Is to drink of Life indeed.

Glorious, mighty Name of Jesus,
Heav’n and earth its pow’r proclaim;
But forgiven sinners only,
Know the balm of Jesus’ Name.

Jesus! Jesus! Name most precious,
Balm in pain or mighty sword;
In Thy Name, we live and conquer,
Blessed, glorious, coming Lord.

@sonship said
@Rajk999

Graphics ! Do you think little graphic pictures will help your case?

Living Stream Ministry Hymnal - Hymn 73 copied without permission, under fair use.

Glorious, mighty Name of Jesus,
Into Thy dear Name I flee;
“Set aloft,” I praise and worship,
For Thy Name is victory!

Blessed Jesus! Mighty Savior!
In Thy Name is all I need;
Ju ...[text shortened]... pain or mighty sword;
In Thy Name, we live and conquer,
Blessed, glorious, coming Lord.

@Rajk999

Talking, praying, singing ? Is that it?

Not once have you ever in the last 14 yrs on this site told anyone what Jesus and the Apostles said about DOING and KEEPING the commandments.

Your doctrine continues to be a failure, and only the evil or those drawn to evil will find your doctrine appealing.

@sonship said

Your doctrine continues to be a failure, and only the evil or those drawn to evil will find your doctrine appealing.

This statement does not deserve the dignity of a response.

But going on with John's teaching:

@sonship said
For many years a poster here has condemned the speaking to Christ. For years this poster has discouraged using the mouth to come forward to God.

@divegeester said
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