Originally posted by RJHindsYou worship Popeye?
The Hebrew name for God translitered to English is YHVH or YHWH and the Hebrew language has no written vowels so we must supply them. Now, it is most commonly written Yahweh and it means "I AM WHO I AM". God went on to tell Moses to use the shortened form Yah (I AM) as His name. It is used in the word HalleluYah meaning "Praise Yah" which is usually trans ...[text shortened]... "Praise the Lord" or "Praise God".
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
Well blow me down, yak yak yak yak. 😛
Originally posted by galveston75Do you mind quoting where Christ told his followers that ? It seems that the Bible is actually saying that its not a crime to worship Christ as well as God.
Jesus told his followers that he is not to be worshipped but only the Father is and has that right and honor.
- Wise men from came to worship Christ :
Matt 2:1-2 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and are come to worship him.
- The angels worship Christ.
Heb 1:5-6 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
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Originally posted by Rajk999Please tell the forum why, in almost every instance of the 53 times, the Greek word,
Do you mind quoting where Christ told his followers that ? It seems that the Bible is actually saying that its not a crime to worship Christ as well as God.
- Wise men from came to worship Christ :
Matt 2:1-2 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, Sayin ...[text shortened]... th in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
'proskuneo', translated, as bow down to prostrate oneself, to do obeisance, suddenly
changes and reverts to worship when it comes to Jesus? shall we look at some
instances of the word in scripture, from different translations. Matthew 18:26,
At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he
begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’ The servant’s master took pity on him,
cancelled the debt and let him go. - NIV
So the slave fell to the ground and prostrated himself before him, saying,
‘Have patience with me and I will repay you everything.’ - NASV
The servant then, having fallen down, was bowing to him, saying, Sir, have patience
with me, and I will pay thee all; - Youngs literal translation
yet when it comes to Jesus, the very same term, is translated as worship, Matthew 14:33,
And they that were in the boat worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son
of God - American standard version
And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down. Then those who were in
the boat worshipped him, saying, “Truly you are the Son of God.” - NIV
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou
art the Son of God. - King James version
Oh dear, more bias in translation which has led astray the ignorant and uninitiated,
here we have a prime example of such a bias, translated as, to prostrate oneself, to
bow down, to do obeisance, yet when it comes to Jesus, the exact same term
suddenly takes on the meaning to worship?? Its nothing short of the rampant
dishonesty which marrs the translators of Christendom and is lapped up by willing
conspirators to perpetuate a lie. Caught again Rajk, when will you ever learn that
truth has a potency all of its own?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo the Bible does in fact have instances of people and angels bowing down to or worshiping Christ .. thank you.
Please tell the forum why, in almost every instance of the 53 times, the Greek word,
'proskuneo', translated, as bow down to prostrate oneself, to do obeisance, suddenly
changes and reverts to worship when it comes to Jesus? shall we look at some
instances of the word in scripture, from different translations. Matthew 18:26,
At this the se ...[text shortened]... a lie. Caught again Rajk, when will you ever learn that
truth has a potency all of its own?
Can I assume that the answer to the question ..
Where did Jesus tell his followers that he is not to be worshipped but only the Father ..
is that there is none ?
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Originally posted by Rajk999sigh, such ignorance cannot go unpunished, what the Bible in fact has, because of
So the Bible does in fact have instances of people and angels bowing down to or worshiping Christ .. thank you.
Can I assume that the answer to the question ..
[b] Where did Jesus tell his followers that he is not to be worshipped but only the Father ..
is that there is none ?[/b]
unscrupulous translators wishing to impose their bias upon the Greek text, is instances
where, the Greek term which means simply to do obeisance as in the eastern form of a
salutation suddenly and miraculously is translated as an act of religious worship when it
comes to Jesus. No the Bible does not state that Christ is to be worshipped, the
translators of the text have given the impression that it does, because of their religious
bias, but you wouldn't know that because you dont know what the actual text states,
all you have to go on is what the translators want you to believe.
so you have failed to answer the question, why does the term suddenly and
miraculously change from an act of salutation, to bow down, to an act of worship.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieCan I assume that the answer to the question ..
sigh, such ignorance cannot go unpunished, what the Bible in fact has, because of
unscrupulous translators wishing to impose their bias upon the Greek text, is instances
where, the Greek term which means simply to do obeisance as in the eastern form of a
salutation suddenly and miraculously is translated as an act of religious worship when it ...[text shortened]... uddenly and
miraculously change from an act of salutation, to bow down, to an act of worship.
Where is the quote that Jesus told his followers that he is not to be worshiped but only the Father ..
is that there is none and that Galveston is wrong?
Originally posted by Rajk999oh ho, what is this, you dont answer my questions, but you expect me to answer
Can I assume that the answer to the question ..
[b]Where is the quote that Jesus told his followers that he is not to be worshiped but only the Father ..
is that there is none and that Galveston is wrong?[/b]
yours? Once again, i am not the Gman, i am someone else, i am not telepathic, nor
joined at the hip, although we are spiritual brothers, i dont know what the Gman has in
mind, although i am pretty sure you are going to find out.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieActually Galveston made a statement.
oh ho, what is this, you dont answer my questions, but you expect me to answer
yours? Once again, i am not the Gman, i am someone else, i am not telepathic, nor
joined at the hip, although we are spiritual brothers, i dont know what the Gman has in
mind, although i am pretty sure you are going to find out.
Then I asked for a supporting verse.
Then YOU butted in without providing a supporting verse which would have answered my question.
So the original statement which I was questioning still requires some proof ..
Where did Jesus tell his followers that he is not to be worshipped but only the Father ..