@moonbus said
1. The universe had no beginning, it has existed forever. This is the pagan Greek cosmology (Mother Night, or chaos, is eternal. Gods and goddesses came later.)
2. The universe had multiple simultaneous beginnings.
3. There have been many universes each with an initial Big Bang and a terminal Big Crunch or a terminal dissolution (entropy death), repeating interminably.
4. ...[text shortened]... ng).
In terms of pure logic, item 1. requires the least contentious assumption (Occham’s Razor).
"Looking for the first cause of all things is either one or two different things, an endless regress of this came from that, or something that did not require to be created because it always was."
1. It is covered in what I said, something did not require to be created, started it.
2. It is covered in what I said, endless regress of this came from that.
3. It is covered in what I said, something was always creating, started it, repeat cycle, it is also a change of topic, this is the universe under question.
4. It is covered in what I said, something did not require to be created, started it.
5. It is covered in what I said, something did not require to be created. started it.
6. Its here I don't know, is more than like your true answer, you cannot offer anything and you think not offering anything is offering something, you cannot be reasoned with here because there is no reasoning involved, just a braindead, "well it's here!"
Why bother entering into this discussion if you cannot or will not own something about the topic? Do you simply want an endless regress of I don't know to be your answer or an endless regress that cannot be it without reasons?